Great Episode!! Its good to see people that actually DO the work, GET the results... Congrats Holly and John on getting married, I wish the best to your whole family! I love the first paragraph of day 3.

"It was time for accountability. It’s funny so many people say I like conflict. I’m not interested in conflict. I’m interested in results and people doing what they say. I expect results, I expect 100% from every one I work with. If not I FIRE THEM. This is me taking a stand for my work ethics. And today was a day about getting tough, opening up the family to the truths, feelings, thoughts and empower them as family, not separate entities. These were good people and they should be given that at the least."

It seems that many of life's struggles come down to a lack of direction and appropriate leadership. Be it with people or animals.

As much as the show focuses on the "people" aspect the message is always the same - make a commitment to the dog, put in the time and do the work.

Parenting requires the same. You can't always be popular - necessary evils are a part of life.

In the end of the show they all came together which is good, with the family and the dogs. Team work can go a long way. Keep up the good work everyone.

Peace !!!!

Well...then....that's just great Charly.

Thanks WC.

It is great!!!

When you can truly communicate with your dogs without resorting to leash jerks, using only gentle voice commands, it is then that you know you are doing something right.

I guess you're the guy everyone should follow!!

You'll be putting everyone out of work. :)

I didn't see any leash jerks. In fact, when Hunter was describing how to put the dog in a sit to the family, he told them to gently pull up on the leash. How is that jerking? Any time there's tension in the leash, it's the dogs choice to put on the brakes, or not follow the owner. That's a far stretch from standing there jerking the leash back and forth for fun to see if you can jerk your dog around. You seem to have a bit of a skewed opinion on what Brad's training is actually like. Have you taken a street safety class? Have you read his book? Have you even been to his website?

In fact you seem to have many skewed opinions on all of these episodes, and maybe instead of being counterproductive and Brad bashing, maybe you should respectfully disagree with his methods, and offer a solution that's more suitable to your ideas of training. For example, the street safety classes helped me to solve the problem of my dog randomly jumping up at me and biting my arm during a walk. Would you solve that one without touching them too? Use a treat to guide him off my arm like you would to put yours in a sit without touching? Guess what, my dog doesn't like treats, how would you do it then?

As for this episode, I thought it was great. Congrats on the wedding, I wish you all the happiness in the world to you, and your family, furry or otherwise :). It's amazing to see the difference even a couple weeks can make when you put in the time and effort. Not to say that it isn't challenging, but very rewarding in the end. Great work!

Multiple obedience titles!
Protection sports!

Yup....I've seen dogs with plenty of obedience titles. All worth only the paper they are written on.

Protection sports - I guess that means your dogs attack.

Not what I'm looking for.

If you and your dogs are so highly accredited you should be turning people away in droves...but you're not.

You're here discrediting another trainer and trying to get people to listen to you. If you were that great - you wouldn't need to do this.

And, do spare me the lecture of standing up and exposing Brad's errors in order to save all of us ignorant people.

Smart people don't need advice and smart people don't bother giving it!

You don't need to tell me what your credentials are, I'm sure you have great dogs that you are very happy with, and I'm glad it's worked out for you. However you didn't really answer my question on what you would do in the scenario I described with my dog.

From my own experiences with Brad, and some of the CET's, I've found that I've been able to better understand my dog, and understand more about body language and forming a strong bond with him.

You think it's inhumane to change directions quickly with your dog on leash, so that it causes tension in the leash and the dogs feet are lifted off the ground. That's fine, I disagree. I think it's important to teach your dog how to follow you and pay attention to you, especially if you were in a real life situation where you needed to move quickly, whether it's out of the way of a moving vehicle, or another dog that is aggressive. I think it's inhumane to use treats to train a dog. We have a difference of opinion, it happens. Maybe both of us are wrong. But I am curious to know how you'd handle the biting situation I described above.

I went through that as well my jack would want to play and bite on the leash every time i would take her out for a walk, how i got her to stop was with a firm NO every time she went to do it, but that worked for me, i'm not saying it would work for everyone, but it has for me as she doesn't do it any more.

Peace !!!!

You know, it truly amazes me all of these people come on here and bash Brad, without even understanding what he is all about.. You are quick to judge, and to ridicule him. Yet you are the first to say that you know everything about him, without spending a dime to attend a seminar, or purchase his book, or even look in to his real life education.

I started replying to the post in hope we could speak about the episode, and of course someone always comes on here and over exaggerates what they see in the show. Then tells everyone how they *should* be training their dog... usually with treats, which of course cause more problems then just aggression, for instance cancer, obesity, laziness and the list goes on.

Charly, take some advice from Brad, "NO NOISE"...

keep talking charly maybe some people will start seeing the light.

I'm not saying my dogs are angel's or anything like that, but i can list a whole lot of stuff my dogs have done from chewing to lashing out at everyone or everything, but if you keep up on the training in time it will all stop, some may take longer than others.

One of my dogs i did training without treats as she could care less about them, and it's not easy to try to train a dog without touching them cause you have to for order to show them what they have done good and what they have done wrong.

However, there is no need for force to get a dog to do something and i'm learning all of this from the course i'm taking and there is no treats involed.

Peace !!!!!

Hey Slice Staffers - You guys need to install a user account approach before letting people post on this site, It shouldn't be to hard, simple username/password with an email authentication.

This would cut down on half the crap that is posted here, and allow for banning/removal of offending users. This is a public board, I understand that - however like anything public where any joe-schmo (joe plumber?) can post, the negativity builds up. Other people coming to these postings may find them offensive and thus it reflects badly on you and your network. I love the ability to post my comments regarding the episode, but it seems that there are 4 individuals (read trolls) that are appearing over and over again, same story, same dance - new username!

A note to everyone else on here.. Please don't feed the trolls - they don't go away.

http://cekirdek.pardus.org.tr/~caglar/DontFeedTh
eTroll.jpg (copy and paste in your browser, its a safe image)

In regards to this episode, is there anyone that was on this show from the family that is reading? How are the dogs doing now? It's always great to hear about how things have changed after the show has aired. I'd love to hear it!

LOL, in this case, any verbal correction got him more revved up rather than interrupting him. We found that the biggest positive changes in his behaviour came from umbilical work, pinning, time outs, and getting him off the furniture, along with lots of praise when he did a good job. During walks when he threw a tantrum, I'd step on the leash to have him lay down, and put him into a time out, without any verbal or physical correction. When he was calm, we'd continue.

I actually find it amazing that "positive trainers" are always so negative. The irony....

Charly - you clearly don't understand Brad's methods, nor do you respect others who make their own choices. I'll take Brad's approach over yours any day!

Charly,

OK - I'm just quietly telling you......go away.

Let's see if it works as well on you as you claim it does on your dogs.

You have presented evidence....

doesn't work - you didn't go away.

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the troll picture.

I can now visualize some of the people blooging here!

"And if you are an emergency situation, you do what ever is required, most of us do not live our lives in emergency situations. As a responsible owner it is up to you to act proactively not simply react to when your dog is in danger."

And what I was referring to, is that if you have a dog that follows you when you move quickly instead of putting on the brakes, it could be the difference between your dog being fine and your dog being clipped on the hind end from a car.

"I think your opinion of food reinforcement is stupid! There is no way in which this can be considered inhumane."

Good to see that any of the points your making are being ignored because you're calling people stupid. It's inhumane to give treats in training...when some trainers tell you not to feed your dog before class so they have incentives, because it encourages begging behaviour, because it might make them more liable to go for a childs face if they have food on it, or if they have a cracker in their hand, because it can cause them to become overweight, and many more reasons.

"Like most force based trainers your mind is stuck on punishing unwanted behavior"

Actually, training with Brad is not at all like that. Give the dog a command, show him what it means. Repeat until they get it, and then reward them with a massage in the chest area. He is very focused on getting owners to form a bond with their dog, and yes there is punishment, like time outs, and in more extreme situations, physical interruptions, but a dominant dog would walk all over you otherwise. Every dog is different, mine loves attention, so time outs worked really well. And really, when we did the urban agility stuff with changing directions and going around trees and such? He had a blast!

Charly: You must not post any material that....

"Is abusive, hateful, inflammatory, harmful, tortuous, or is racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
Is being used to harass, stalk or otherwise threatens a person;
Is libelous, defamatory or invades any privacy or publicity rights of any third party;"

Your posts that are defamatory of Brad, us and others on this blog are being removed. We are not going to tolerate this behaviour anymore.

No more tolerance for the bashing of others. Take the negative opinions of Brad and others off this blog and chat it up elsewhere.

Thanks,
Blog_Mod3

Blog_Mod3, Thank You! it is most appreciated!

Hi Folks. Let's just keep it positive and blow on by the negativity.

Hi CHARLY,

Are you a dog trainer? I'm just wondering cause it seems that you keep bashing other dog trainers for what they think they believe works, i'm not saying i agree with everything Brad does, but some people he has helped out in the past, i know it's not right to make a animal to feel uncomfortable when teaching it to sit or anything for that matter. Myself i use positive training methods as it works for me where as others it might not and i think this is why some people are going to Brad, because they have try other methods and it hasn't worked for them for whatever reason, when it comes to dog training in my eyes it should be a fun learning thing and not something that is going to cause pain or force. I'm not saying my dogs are angel's believe you me i have had my fair share, but i worked at it and now they are much better.

Peace !!!!

Just wondering ????????

LOL - Charly is no longer to write on our blogs anymore. We will be monitoring to ensure that Charly will not be back on the blogs bashing others and providing "tips". We will be checking into other names he may be coming up with and nature of comments in general going forward.

Blog_Mod3,

I would like to know why i am not allow to write here? I am not bashing anyone i'm just simply letting people know what has worked for me, and if people ask me i'll tell them. It shows that people can't share their thoughts and tips on what they think has worked for them and what has not.

Peace !!!!

Personally, and I hope I speak for Blog_mod3 here, These blogs are to discuss the show, and what happened in the episode - there are plenty of forums available around the world to discuss tips and training, - what worked and what didn't. A quick google search reveals a lot of them. As well, you could always go to Brad website as he has forums there.

Regardless, The problems with discussing dog training tips is that everyone has one that contradicts another, thus the trolling comes to the postings, and people get turned away. If you don't like Brad's methods, don't use them, pretty simple, if you think Brad is a jerk, well your entitled to your opinion, however you have to remember, this is kind of his house - this is the website of the network that paid money for his show, do you think for a second that they would continue to allow the "Brad Bashing" to keep happening.

I personally think it speaks more volume the fact that Brad has never said anything bad about any specific trainer or company. Yet more and more trainers from the Positive Training Camp have come out and Brad Bashed beyond belief. Everyone is entitled to opinion, I look for results personally.

Brad has taught his CET's this lesson as well. To allow people to have their own opinion. He has said in his classes that he does not know it all, and is willing and open to learn from others that are will and open to learn from him.

Speaking from personal experience, if it wasn't for Brad, I don't know where i would be.

LOL, if that is you, this is a forum for people to voice their opinion without attacks on Brad, our shows, other viewers and us. I have let a lot slide as there was difference in opinion - but I have had enough of people, who clearly don't have anything positive to contribute - other than a heap of bashing. Contructive conversation is one thing, bashing is another and I will continue to monitor closely to ensure that this doesn't continue. In some cases I have to applaude the rest of the community for self-moderating the forum... people know when they're behaving out of line and bashing others. I won't be warning people any longer... I will remove inappropriate posts and block people that are just here to cause trouble.

Hello Blog_Mod3,

I understand and respect that, but i don't think that i have bashed anyone on here, i have however have given my thoughts and if people ask how i trained my dogs i will tell them, but that's only if they ask. And if someone has asked me a question i will answer them and tell them what has worked for me and what hasn't i don't see how this is being rude or bashing one's training methods, i am open to new ideas and if someone has done something that i have not done i will ask them if it's worked for them and same goes if anyone ask me.

So again, i do understand and respect what is being done or said, as there are some people who have done bashing and this is why i questin it as it's not right to bash what has work for some.

Peace !!!!!

Hi LOL -

I think you may have misunderstood Blog_Mod 3's first comment that starts with: LOL - Charly is no longer to write.....

I understood Blog_Mod as sending you a note, letting you know they weren't allowing Charly on here, so Charly's answer to your question would not be posted.

I never got the impression Blog_Mod was saying you did any bashing....just telling you why we find Charly here anymore.

Oops! Correction to the last line of my last post...
....just telling you why we WON"T find Charly here anymore.

Oh ok thanks Pat-A, i just wasn't sure if he was telling me i was not longer allow to write here any more, i guess your right i might have misunderstood, again thnks for explaining it much clearer.

Peace !!!

Pat-A... Thanks for explaining it to LOL. That was exactly what I was trying to express to LOL... you may not get an answer from Charly because he's no longer allowed to post.

Hello Blog_Mod3,

Ok i am sorry if i misunderstood, and i respect what your doing, again i am sorry for misunderstanding what you were traying to say.

Peace !!!!

I don't have to much to say on this show, seemed like the same show over and over.

I would like to say that since the first episode which I thought was horrible, there was no rime or reason to this episode, Looked like the family wanted help with barking and the issue was never addressed to any satisfactory that I could see. Seemed they only concentrated on how many dogs there was and the couch. But you can read more in that episode.


Brad seems to be at least giving people the reasons why he has given instructions

Like I said I didn't learn to much from this episode.

The mosquito thing... Put dryer sheets in your pockets..keeps the skeeters away... Great episode... Keep it up..

I was very nervous waiting for our episode to air.
We must have shot about 20 hours of footage, and I really had no idea what would be put into a 20 minute show.

There was so much that wasn't shown, it would be difficult for anyone not involved to pass a judgement on Brad, his methods, or any family involved in an epsode of "At the end of my Leash"

My original application was asking for help with the dogs peeing in the house, constant barking at the door,and getting my family to help with these issues rather than just condemming me for having unruly dogs.
Although Brad didn't come out with the words "to get the dogs to stop doing...(whatever bad behavior) " through his training methods my dogs stopped thier negitave behaviors.
What Brad did do was work with my family in getting the dogs to follow basic commands, such as sit, stay, come. In doing this, the dogs learned to follow and take guidance from the humans in the house, and everything else fell into place.

7/8 months after working with Brad, my dogs are better behaved, although I will admit that if I slack off for even a day thier bahaviour will also regress.
Hunter and Emma do help out more around the house, but not without alot of proding.
Megan and Nick moved out and are living happily on thier own, but come over every other sunday for breakfast (Brad, Heather, and crew, call us sometime we would really love to have you join us for our breakfast)
P.S. Brad, Hunter still keeps his hair long, and thinks you should give me sh*t because I broke down and bought the dogs each a t-shirt

Well, filming that episode was SUCH a fun experience!The crew is the greatest! I really like how much better the dogs are, and i don't think I'm gonna forget the memories of that experience... thats all i really have to say

PS we have ANOTHER dog... :P

OK Emma you might as well tell the whole story about the other dog!
My oldest son Kenny, moved back home with his pug, it just turns out that I am the main caregiver for her. But this time around we have the tools to get her properly trained, and well behaved.

Holly's admisssion that [sic] "I will admit that if I slack off for even a day thier bahaviour will also regress." is plenty of proof that the methods being applied don't work. They are coercing behavior and not teaching the dog anything

Goodness, Alex.

Either you attended a dog course on the weekend or in fact needed something to do! This is the 7th (old)blog you commented on.

You should state your (verifiable) credentials and accomplishments so people can decide if you should be considered a superior authority.

Why do I need credentials? Brad doesn't have any. What I have are facts. For example

IPDTA's position statement:

IPDTA (International Positive Dog Training Association) does not endorse the teachings of Caesar Milan (The Dog Whisperer) or Brad Pattison (At The End Of My Leash)

American College of Veterinary Behaviorists has also come out against the methods employed by Pattison.

And the American Veterinary Society
of Animal Behavior has taken a similar position.

"AVSAB is concerned with the recent
re-emergence of dominance theory and
forcing dogs and other animals into
submission as a means of preventing and
correcting behavior problems."