I personally feel that the family needs to step in and adopt out these dogs for Kim. However it seems that she would not let that happen, which is really sad for all these dogs.

I personally own three dogs and for me to meet the needs of my dogs it takes up 90% of my spare time so I know there is no way these dogs can ever have there mental and physical needs meet by one family. For the average person or family 2 dogs would be a handful.

I can only hope that one day she will open her eyes.

You know we are always hearing about animal shelters being full to capacity and horrible stories of puppy mills.

Here is a person who loves her pets and is providing food, shelter, love, etc. and all she gets if negativity!!!

Please people, before commenting REMEMBER you do not see everything that goes on behind closed doors, only what Brad has decided to show you. Yes he has an opinion but everyone is entitled to that regardless of whether they are right or wrong.

It is unfortunate that because someone ison TV that means they know everything. They might we well educated in the field however, through life I have learned that no situation is the same.

I think viewers need to realize this and lay off Kim, she is a kind hearted person and it is obvious to me that she loved these dogs immensly!!!

LAY OFF PEOPLE!

I agree she definately loves these dogs with all her hart but if the family could find a few loving homes that they trust why not.

Dogs have fairly high mental and physical demands and one family can not meet the needs of 15 dogs. Love does not satisfy dogs in the way it does people.

I found it very sad that she had more respect and concern for her dogs than she did for her husband and son.
I have four dogs and I work. My whole day revolves around making sure the dogs physical and emotional well-being are exercised. I can't imagine trying to fulfill that for 15 dogs. They may be very loved and well fed, but I think it stops there.
There has so come a point when your need to reach out and help an animal is compromised by reality.
I'm shocked that there is no law in Calgary that would restrict the amount of pets you can have in your home. I live on an acerage in a rural county and I have a limit, so why wouldn't someone in a busy city.
I was glued to the show to see how Brad was going to "fix everything" and so sad when he had to walk away. I thought the husband, son and dogs were going to be rescued from the chaos.

As I watched, i felt that Kim was a doting, caring and loving person - who loved her animals, but was having difficulties dealing with the amount of dogs she was caring for ... I can only imagine how hard it must be to look after them all. Thrown into the mix are the feelings of her family - who support her, but they really really need to feel the love back. She shouldn't take the needs of her family for granted. I felt for her son and husband a lot during this show - they are really great people to stick by her and support her. The dogs need the individual attention so they can be trained to be good pets... It may be too much to train them all in this environment - I extend my best wishes to them. If I were them would try to find some of the dogs good homes to take some of the burden and tension off the family.

My mother-in-law is a hoarder of things. She doesn't see it, but she has a problem. Her family has tried to step in, but until she realizes it, things won't change anytime soon.
This woman has a problem hoarding dogs. Yes she loves them, feeds them, etc, but the dogs would get the same kind of care at a shelter. If she doesn't want them in a shelter, I totally understand, I have a wonderful dog myself. But then she should let them go to loving homes who can give them the attention they all individually deserve.
I believe that animals have feelings too, but come on! She has a husband and child to look after, and she's neglecting them! That's not right either.
She didn't even let Brad show her what would happen if the dogs went to a loving home. She should have given him a chance. He is a professional, even if we don't always agree.

OMG! This woman is beyond needy. How selfish to use innocent dogs in this way. She can't control people (although she is trying her best) but dogs will love unconditionally. I really think she needs some help for her mental health issues! I think her husband is either a saint or insane to stay with her. Poor Logan, I felt the worst for him. Maybe his Mom would be willing to adopt him out.

That is so true...
I use to live beside a
family.. whose dog was living
outside on a chain.. what a life hey?
they have 2 young boys.. probably
8 and 9.. and they cant even go out and play with them.. when someone comes
home.. the dog jumps up and tries to get some attention.. but nope.. they jsut kick it away.. i never see anyone feed it.. or give it water.. he got loose one day.. and i seen an ad in the paper saying "if found please return.. dog is sadly missed by two young boys" geez im sure who ever found it would treat it alot better.. but.. of course the dog was returned.. and yep.. you guessed it.. back on the chain it stayed.. and can you believe that this dog is only a Shiba Inu??? it isnt even a "guard dog"... good watch dogs yes.. it just disgusts me that someone brings a dog into a home and just thinks its suppose to entertain themselves for the rest of the time being..

Brad I think we need to talk in person

Kim

I find it hard to believe that a City doesn't have a law restricting the amount of dogs, or cats you are allowed to have in a home. I live in a city of 45,000 and we have a maximum of 2 dogs and 2 cats. I do believe that Kim is the one who needs help more than the dogs.

I keep trying to make a comment but this blog will not allow me to make one.
If anyone is interested in hearing the truth please provide you email address

Mental Health Issues. Come on people give it a rest. A Horder NO!! Did you see stacks of other things or disorganization I know I did'nt. In a horder's house that is what you see I know many!!!!

You are comparing poor Kim to people are not even in the same realm as her. NEVER not once did I see any form of abuse or neglect.

As for her husband and his needs well why can he not go and race his cars I am not understanding why he can not do his "Man" thing. Kim is not aasking for him to take them with him.

Has anybody every thought that maybe Logan loves the dogs to? Don't you think that if he was that unhappy that he would discuss this with his mother!!

Remember we never heard the questions that were asked to both Tim and Logan ONLY the answers. So acting on only what you heard once again only half of the story.

I would hate to think that people out there think that they could so much better. Like I said before DO NOT JUDGE unless you have walked a mile in thier shoes.

Also remember that for a half show show it takes approx. 7-10 days of taping so tell me Brad or better yet why don't you tell the people ALL of the things that went on.

It's amazing what one can edit out, and what kind of show they was people to see. It's what the studio wants you to see not necessarily what was taped!!!

one more time

Brad lets have a meeting, between you, me the SPCA and By-Law. And then lets publish the truth.

Then lets put that on TV.

I am pretty angry at your comments. You are doing great harm to me and my family!!!!!

I wondered how long it would take before this show/method of dealing with dogs and people would come and bite him in the butt!!!!

Kim, I watched the show to see what would be going on and you're definately not a hoarder, while maybe not the greatest trained puppies, they look like they're well looked after. Didn't see any of them that didn't look like they weren't getting the proper food and grooming. And wow, your house is way tidier than mine and I only have 3 critters!

Thanks Doreen :-)

I think Kim means well and I think I know where she is coming from.

I know,meaning well isn't going to help the dogs.

I've never owned a dog before until now. I bought a puppy in May of this year and I could not believe how much I love dogs. If I had more living space I would have as many dogs as Kim, but I know it wouldn't be fair on the dogs.

I get the impression Kim loves dogs and she looks at them as her children so it's going to be very differcult for her to find new homes for some of the dogs if she ever decides to do so. She needs those dogs because they fulfill some of the needs in her that haven't been fulfilled in a long time.

The dogs are not the problem. What we should be asking is . What is happening in Kim's life that she feels the need to have so many dogs around her.

Is something missing in her life? I believe so.


REMEMBER YOUR DOG(s) ARE A REFLECTION OF YOU THEY MIRROR OUR BEHAVIOR

Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on Kim.

Thanks Jessica,

I am glad you could see through some of the crap. When you are on a reality TV show they make you appear worse than you are.

I am going to try to stay positive even though people on this blog are cruel. Making judgements off a Reality TV show are hurtful and I hope my son's don't read this.

My entire family and I are very happy and we do a lot of activities. Camping, skiing, hockey and we entertain (to much) watch movies and go for long walks and we do this all with respect to each other and of course the dogs.

I have spent many a day at the race track and I have voluntered for some Rally Races so I do support my husband often. I just don't care for racing much but I still go. I have spent many evenings at football and Hockey games. Don't feel sorry for anyone. We all do things together and apart.

Camping isn't the best with all the dogs sometimes but we manage and have a huge motorhome and a great campground to go too!

This is a life choice and it is not for everyone.

When I asked Logan if he wanted to part with some dogs the answer was NO and the same with Tim.

So there you have it don't believe everything you see on TV


I think in total Brad spent about 1 to 2 hours with me and that is it.

She was an idiot but I was glad to see a different show than the usual. No one needs that many dogs. Aren't there laws for this type of thing?

Anyone who knows Brad, knows that what he cares most about are the dogs. Yes he has a tv show, but that doesn't mean he cares any less. Regardless of any problems this family has (everyone has issues, don't point fingers unless you're willing to point at yourself as well), the fact still remains that there are 15 dogs in this household. Most doggie daycares probably couldn't have 15 dogs with only one or two handlers. It can also be downright dangerous if you get a couple that are highly dominant and fighting for pack leader. Also, sickness. Many dog illnesses are contagious, how can you stop it from spreading throughout the pack? How are you providing for their basic needs of exercise and stimulation? They'd get that at a shelter you know. My personal opinion, is that this whole family should be looking inside themselves and asking, am I doing this for the dogs, or am I doing this for myself? Yes things are edited down to a half hour episode, but they are done in a way not to make the family look bad, but so the general public can look at a situation, and learn from it. You decided to do the show, you knew there would be editing going into it, you know Brad's personality type, so don't complain when things don't go the way you expect them to. You hack on Brad for doing things for entertainment value, but guess what, they asked for their 15 min too.

Lynne has a very good point that I don`t think gets mentioned enough. Anyone who has meet or worked with Brad would know that he cares deeply for dogs. I believe he does his TV show to educate people not to be famous.

I wouldn't say Kim is an idiot.

I would say there is a lot of resentment in her marriage. If you try and see past the dogs when watching the show, you can clearly see that Kim seems closer to the dogs than she does to her husband and son.

I think having all those dogs might be a cry for help.

It's amazing how people can feel compassion for animals, but when a human has issues they call that person an idot.

Why is that?

Definition of Idiot n.1. foolish person. 2. mentally retarded

I don't think Kim's behaviour fits either of these definitions.

I think she needs Dr. Phil not Brad.

Another point - people keep saying that the viewers shouldn't buy into Brad because he is the host of a reality show and not a real trainer but how do you think he got the show in the first place ... by becoming a very talented dog educator and having happy clients. He has been working with dogs for so long that he has built a name for himself and had a lot of success. Joe off the street can't just get their own tv show - you have to work hard and prove that you know what you are doing. Obviously Brad is very good at what he does or he wouldn't have a show, or a school, or thousands of happy, satisfied clients that cheer him on.

Have you ever researched Brad Pattison?

maybe you should

then comment.....

call Vancouver area ..... hint hint

Google is great tool too!

You will be amazed.

How do you think they find any actors?

What can you show me that he has this education

Hello Brad,

I will start off by saying you can see Kim loves these dogs, but what if you took her to another home or stage a home with the same amount of dogs like in her home, maybe than she might open her eyes and see that it is hard to try to train all of these dogs,and love,care for them.

Just an idea

Hey Brad,

Maybe you should have played the song called "Who Let Dogs Out" sorry just trying to be funny i don't mean anything by it at all. When i saw all the dogs on your new show that song came to mind.

I love dogs myself and have been around dogs my whole life also have trained my own dogs that i have now which are Jack Russell's, but i had learned from watching how the dogs would play with one another, i have at least 9 dogs big/small all in one area and just watched how they would interact with each other but i remianed top dog like i have said, before we can all learn from our dogs, how they play,acted also i had watch my dog with her puppies and how she would interact with them.

As for Kim, you can see that she loves her dogs a lot or just dogs you don't see her yelling,hitting or pulling her dogs around, yes i agree they need training,but how can anyone train 15 dogs at once? Dogs need a lot to be trained you can't train them one week and not the next, training is a everyday thing, so Kim good luck on trying to get those dogs trained it's going to take a lot of time to do it, but if you put your mind to it and get help from your family i'm sure in time you will have good dogs.

Just my Thoughts

Maybe Kim needs to get off the computer, stop worrying about people judging her, and take care of her 15 dogs!!!!!!

Kim,

You yourself said Brad only spent 2 hours working with you on the show, however you did not put the time and effort in to doing what he asked, even to get 1 of the 15 dogs to do a sit stay, or sit for that matter.

I understand things get edited down for tv, lets face facts, the show is only 23 minutes long (cut the commercials out), however you must of had days to work with the dogs in between takes, and to even try to attempt what he was training you to do.

15 dogs in a house is unfar to them, how can they get the mental stimulation? How well do they socialize outside of your pack? How can you say you are giving them all 100%? I do thank you for having a kind heart, and it shows through very well - you remind me of my own mother very much, she has a hording issue, and doesnt throw away anything ever..

As for you boys, this is far less worse then what they are looking at on the internet anyhow, and regardless your oldest son posted on Brad's website already, so i know he has read these comments as well.

In our world, everyone judges everyone, and I wouldn't take it to personally, however you made the choice to go on the show, ultimatly you must have known what you were going to be getting in to. Can you be embarrased about it? Of course, however don't let it drag you down, again everyone judges everyone in one way or another.

I wish you and your dogs well, however I hope the dogs will have a better future ahead of them - please try to find these guys some homes - I know according to your son that none of them are up to your standards, however look at your own standards - living in a zoo cage is not the right answer, find it in your heart to let them go.

I hope Kim gets off the computer and takes all of her dogs for a leashed run so they can get some real exercise and get rid of their built up tension.

Tim, take your son and find yourself a new place where you can have quality time with the only person that is important here, your son! You can get away from the barking, peeing dogs, your selfish wife and find time for things that you and your son enjoy. I would tell Kim to get therapy, find good homes for at least 8 of the dogs and then see if you can build a healthy family.

KIM - WHAT ABOUT YOUR SON! How ridiculous to have that many dogs. I can imagine how your poor son is going to turn out as an adult. He'll have 30 dogs to make up for the lack of attention and respect that he received as a child.

Hi b.o.b,

You really should try not to take the blog comments presonally.

Everyone is entilted to write their comments.

If you do not agree with a particular comment there is a polite way to let a person know, instead of trying to make them look smaller than you.

You chose to comment, no one forced your hand.

It's only natural that people on the blog would have a different opinion than you. There's no reason to jam your views down their throats.

If I didn't like someone, I wouldn't be spending my time read their website. For a matter of fact I wouldn't even waste my time writing a comment.

Right there, that says something about a person that would do that.

I think we have enough bullies in the world, lets not add another one to it.

due to the argument I was having (the one where I lost a friend because of my admiration for Brad) I missed the episode. how's that for ironic?
I hope that Slice plays it again, because until they do, I can't offer a valid opinion about that one specific situation.
but, please allow me to generalize: Brad has incredible "horse (dog in this case) sense. if I didn't know better, I'd think he had a PhD. in psychology. if he's self-taught, then he has great native intelligence.
I can honestly say that I don't follow ALL of Brads methods. but I do follow quite a few-very successfully. everyone I meet wants their dogs to be as well behaved as mine. so what if my dogs sleep on the bed with me? it's only us.
as for regulations controlling the number of dogs a person may own, I live in Toronto, and the city has a by-law maximum of 3. which I have. they are all neutered, micro-chipped, vaccinated and licensed. I keep them well, and have a letter of reference from my landlord about my dogs and myself.
anyway, I'll shut up for now. Brad-don't stop doing what you do. and when I see that episode, I'll come back and have more to say about it.

Why do we feel we have the right to attack someone we don't know with harsh, rude comments.

Why don't you put yourself in Kim's position and picture how you would like to be treated.

Writing rude curl comments would only make a person shut down. Why don't we try writing supportive comments even though you don't agree with the amount of dogs she has.

Better still why don't the people that think they can do a better job volunter their precious time and help Kim out with her dogs. There is a lot of us out there who are overweight and do with the excerise.

It is all well and good to sit a your computer and bark orders when you haven't walked in the other persons shoes.

WE WOULD DO WELL TO REMEMBER THAT

KIM...wake up,,,you have 15 dogs. Far more than your family should have. Get ride of 14 of them and train and love one only. Then you could also have time for your child and husband. WHO, by the way, are more important than a dog.

I caught the episode on Slices' web page last night. I have some comments.
Kim, I totally understand how much you love your dogs. I have 3 toy poodles, who are my life. maybe I'm a bit unbalanced, but I have mental illness and my dogs are my emotional security-a safe place from anxiety. but I'm a single woman, and I live alone.
I too, have sacrificed many things for my dogs. we're a "package deal"-I don't go anywhere except the grocery store without my dogs. my family is having a huge reunion party next summer. I asked if I could bring my dogs, the answer was no, so I RSVP'd my regrets. all of my decisions are based on that consideration. so I love dogs as much as you clearly do. I would never criticize you for your passion for dogs.
I share it.
but......
realistically there are limits. I only started watching Brad about 8 months ago. and I realized that my dogs weren't measuring up very well. so I started to work, very, very,very hard with my boys. I wanted my dogs to be as well-behaved as Rudy. they're pretty close now.
just 3 of them have been hard enough to train, but since I started out with Brads "baby steps", we are well on the way.
for my dogs, a 5 minute sit/stay is nothing. they are now off leash dogs-within reason. they are not off leash on busy streets. residential is another story.
I just don't see how it is possible to be able to train and maintain 15 dogs. I totally understand your desire to have that many-as I said,I share it. I'd love to have 10. the bylaws in Toronto say I can only have 3.
one of the things that no one seems to have mentioned to you is the financial cost of maintaining so many animals. how much do you spend a month on food? are your dogs spayed/neutered? vaccinated? licensed? do they need dental care? regular vet care is expensive enough. but, and I'm speaking from a horrible personal experience, emergency vet services can take your credit card to the max. my youngest dog broke his leg-no one knows how, he just started screaming. that cost me a whopping $5000.00 from start to finish (and they gave me a break on the price of the surgery-they knocked off $1000.00) do you have that kind of money available if something were to happen to one of your dogs? or more than one? I'm not slamming you for your desire to have a lot dogs-I'm just trying to point out that there are practical concerns about having that many. I don't think that these things were mentioned on the show. but I've been there, and it's bad-really bad.
I'm speaking to you as a friend-I hope you can understand that. please ask yourself honestly about what's in the best interest of both your dogs and your family. and please be honest about the answers. it's a "quality of life" issue for the dogs.
my 3 vie for my attention and affection, and I really need another set of arms to accommodate them. but I do the best I can.
I'm not going to order you to get rid of any of your dogs, because I'm not that kind of person. I believe that you really think that you can give each dog the special care and attention/training it needs. I just question if it's possible for one person to meet the needs, physical and intangible,for each of 15 dogs.
I am however, as a dog advocate, ASKING you to please thin out your herd. I saw on the show that Brad had arranged homes for some of them. just knowing Brad from the show, I can tell that he has the highest possible standards, and if you were to allow him to re-home some of your dogs, you could rest secure in the knowledge that they were in wonderful homes. he said he'd show you on videotape how they were doing. well, he said that about re-homing one. maybe you could ask for visitation privileges to see them from time to time. I saw you sign a contract at the end of the show. maybe you could ask Brad, who is a reasonable man, if you could have such a contract regarding visitation. from what I've seen, I think that if you were willing to compromise, he would be, too.
I'll bring this to a close right now. I have to take my dogs outside, which will make them unhappy, since there's snow on the ground.
I've tried to see your point of view, and I hope that you don't take anything I've said as an attack on you. it wasn't meant that way at all. I have only said what I think is best for all of you; you, dogs, son, and husband. please consider my words. CFS

Well said Canadian-Free Spirit.

Loved your comment (Thur,18 Dec'08 @ 8:30 AM)

You see people, that's the way to do it without being rude or cruel.

There's no way I'll get my back up after reading that comment.

WELL SAID
GOOD JOB

I really need to watch this episode. Does anyone know when it will be on again???
After reading all the comments by everyone - I would like to voice my opinion too.
Without even watching the show I can tell you 15 dogs in one house is NOT right! I don't care if your house is freaking huge.
Also, Brad knows what he is talking about.
Plus, Kim you must have known something was not right to ask for Brads help in the first place . . . . . right?

You can watch it in the video centre of this site - it's posted under "New This Week" - It's season 4, episode 40.

I haven't had the chance to see this particular episode, however, I have met Kim and her hoard at the dog park.

I, personally, think it's disgusting that you are allowed 15 dogs in one household! In all honesty how can you provide the care/love for which 15 dogs require and still be an active member of your family, camping, etc? Not to mention maintaining a healthy environment! I don't care what anyone says that is just impossible.

We should be putting pressure on the City to put a bylaw in place that would prevent hoarding.

After reading all these blogs I have to say some people are just plain mean. You talk about a person as if you know them and Brad seems to think he knows everything in the short time he spent with them. Brad seemed more concerned about dog urine on the carpet and making people look and feel bad, then actaully wanting to help. You people seem to forget that this is a TV show based upon ratings and that if Kim was made out to be the perfect person there would be no excitement and nobody would be watching. Brad's blog talks about a urine soaked house, give me a break, Kim's house is a lot cleaner then most I have seen, and with that much going on she probably cleans more then most people. Puppies will always urinate and assuming you can train them instantly is absurd. Kim did not ask Brad to come and clean her carpets nor did she ask for him to be her cleaning lady. She wanted help with dogs that bark too much, and I am not sure that that ever happened. It is obvious that she never planned on quite this many dogs, it just happenned. Kim took in two of the dogs that had been abandoned, (would she be a better person in all your eyes if she dropped them off to be put down or just left them in the cold), four are puppies that she had trouble finding a home for and has now grown attached too. It is clear she loves animals and would help any that are in need. I agree that she has too many dogs, but she is not a hoarder, and she certainly is not like those horror stories you see on the news. I find it funny that the dogs are bearly even mentioned or shown and the whole thing is about Kim. Brad seems to think he is Dr. Phil or a physciatrist, it is easy to criticize and judge from the outside, as an example, to me Brad seems to have a problem with women and ends up treating them the same way as he does his dogs he is trying to train, my it is easy criticizing from the outside. As for you Brad worshipers, invite him over to your place and see how much you really like him when he has finally left. Personnaly I would not let him anywhere near my house with his negative attitude and self righteousness.

Anyone who lets 15 dogs live in their house with dog pee everywhere is not stable.

JT, do you really think that people living and probably laying on a couch full of dog urine is healthy? Well it's not. It's just disgusting.

Get off the dog pee, you are obsessed. You are missing the whole point. Pee can be cleaned up, it is not the end of the world. When someone asks for help it is not about cleaning their couch. Stop assuming what is clean and what is not. Are we watching a cleaning reality TV show or are we watching a show about dogs.
Would dropping off the dogs at the SPCA for termination be a better solution to you. I do recommend that they try to find suitable homes for as many of the dogs as possible, but do not confuse a big heart with being unstable. I just find it unfair to be so critical of another person who is doing the best they can in the situation their in. It is easy being callous and uncaring, but could you get rid of a familly member after it has been welcomed into the home and is now part of the group, it is not that easy. Kim obviously has a problem with caring too much, but I believe she would let some of the dogs go if she was satisfied that they would go to a good home. If any of you were as conserned as you say, then maybe you would contact her to adopt one of the dogs and put your money where your mouth is.

Well this is the last time I will look at this blog site.

I truly can't believe how mean all of you are and how ugly you can be, shame on you.

Do you remember the followers who followed George Jones? Be careful who you believe on this. Choose your words wisely they may come back to haunt you, and you will regret what you said.

I have 12 dogs I have no idea why everyone keep saying there is more (4 large and 8 mini) and my life is not hard and we love it.

I only asked for help on barking when the door bell rings and for my husband and son to pitch in a bit, like most families the mom does everything and it is a thankless job. I was tired of my husband sitting around and watching TV each night and keep in mind I would feel this way with or without dogs. My son Logan will only clean up after himself if you give him twenty dollars.
I wanted them to shape up. So after watching the TV show “At the end of my leash” I thought maybe Brad could help me with these issues. Boy was I wrong, my whole life turned upside down.

You saw my home on TV it was not messy and the carpets saturated with urine that is a lie. (only the garage, Tim job still waiting for him)

So the very first day when Brad entered my home he hit one of my dogs hard and she showed her teeth and growled, then he told me with in 3 years 60% of my dogs would be euthanized for being vicious, how many of you people would allow a stranger to come inside your home and let them hit your pets? I was shocked my husband and Logan were also very upset. The biggest problem I had after this day was my son asking me why I let Brad hit the dogs. My husband was also very angry and he said “Kim this is your entire fault” I never wanted to be on this TV show anyway.

The next thing was the lovely trip to COP where Brad decide to get me on a balance beam, then he said I am taking dogs from your home today, I said No!!!, there was no hugging after this like he said they told me to run off into the bushes to cry as they continued to film.

On the ride back to my house I cried and told Kelly (the director) why you are doing this to me this is my life and you’re just a TV show. She said “Kim wouldn’t you like one of you dogs to be in a home where they get all the attention”…..I thought about it and said yes. Then it hit me none of my dogs are alone because they have each other. The keep each other stimulated and interact with each other, isn’t that what dogs do and look forward too? I think it is far better to have more than one. No one will ever make me think it is wrong. We all have each other. With saying this I did mention there were 2 of my dogs that I would part with because their personalities would be better suited for a home for only one dog. But they didn’t want either of these 2 dogs.

I called White Iron in Calgary and told them I did not want to continue with this show and that was that.

I had many calls saying we have invested so much money, thousands and thousands into this episode would I please finish the show…..and that I signed a contract. So I was obligated to finish, on the understanding that I would not let them back into my home if they were going to try to take my belongings again.

You know………….

I would like to ask Brad again what tools he actually gave me because other than keeping the little dogs off the couch he said nothing, in fact he came out side and had a beer with me and said he thought I was doing a wonderful thing, so I am confused. Brad did mention to me why do you help these dogs I should have just driven away, so you tell me what kind of person does that?

For the people out there who like Brad keep liking him I don’t care that is your choice. I would not criticize you for liking him just as you should not feel so comfortable criticizing me as you don’t know me at all. What all you small minded people out there think about me is your problem so deal with it.

And all of you who have made the attempt to understand me and support me thank you. I wish you the best life has to offer.

And to everyone out there please adopt a dog and be kind it is not hard to be nice.

Do your part.

And one last thing, the lady from the dog park who states she knows me please then show yourself I look forward to a chat with you in the park. I think you are one of the few negative people at that park and I don’t know who you are. Seems to me everyone else has a different opinion at the park. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Remember “He who slings mud looses ground” and “Hot heads and cold hearts never solve anything”.

Merry Christmas to all 

Having 15 dogs in your home just doesn't happen.

There's a reason why Kim has so many dogs in her home and only she knows the answer.

Kim I have a question to ask.

If you just wanted your dogs to stop barking when the door bell rang, why didn't you look in the yellow pages for a local dog trainer to help you instead of contacting the show?

This is not an attack on you, I'm interested in your answer

MY GOD!!!

I can not believe you people. I am starting to wonder if any of you have compassion or feelings at all. These people that are saying these horrible things DO YOU OR HAVE YOU OWNED A PET yourself???

For christs sake grab a life, you all say Kim has a problem. All I see is a person who has compassion and love and is caring enough to take in dogs that are abandoned. Sure not all of them are but like someone above said. When these dogs came to here should she have kicked them in the ass and turned her back?

You kow Brad said that her carpets were soaked with urine, has anyone thought that maybe something was spilt there before he came in with his black light? Did you also know that black light picks up far MORE than dog piss??

Hey all you smart mouthed people tell me did you?

These people that have nothing but negative to say, they always say that the people that say the worst are the people who are the most unhappy. Why don't you try harder to find happiness within yourself instead of trying to bring someone down to your level of unhappiness.

Oh and Brad ehy don't you try to act a little bit more professional. In my opinion you are the LAST person to give anyone advice. Take your training and stick it, I can train my dog far better with love than a snap of my fingers!!!

I've talked to people on other dog forums, Brad's isn't the only one, who have lots of dogs, big and small that live in the house with them. I don't know, which could be worse, 4 or 5 GSD living in the house or a couple of big dogs then some little ones.

Hmm the people who raise sled dogs, and yes most of the time the dogs are outside but when they have pups and there can be quite a few litters happening then pups and moms are in the house.

Heck I know people who breed cats and the moms and kittens live in the house,.maybe not quite the same as dogs. Although cat pee is stronger smelling that dog, especially with an intact male. Couldn't smell a thing when I visited her and her males live in a special kennel in the basement. There were at least 10 kittens running around and a couple of moms. She's not a hoarder. And she doesn't sell all the kittens, the best she keeps for herself for showing.

I said this before from what I could see from the show, the dogs all looked healthy and well cared for. The house looked nice and clean...what's your secret!!???

As for hubby not sharing everything,heck my parent's were together 50+ years and my mom never could figure out his fascination for trains and old buses. In that case he did his thing and she did hers. She'd wonder why he'd spend a fortune on a model train but then he didn't question her love of gardening.

Now personally unless I had a business with dogs, I don't think I'd want to handle that many! Now Kim, there are many other training methods that will likely help you out alot better, do me a favor and google positive reinforcement. No, you don't have to always use treats, contrary to popular belief here, if you learn to do it properly your dogs won't get fat etc.
Anyway, hope it all works out for you. Keep your chin up!

I'm not writing this to defend Brad or belittle Kim. She seems like a nice person who loves her dogs very much. I myself love animals, but there is a certain line you have to draw when it comes to animals. 15 dogs or how many she may have is way to much. I know she has the best intention at heart. But to many dogs can cause an unhealthy living situation for both the dogs and the owners. I find Brad to be very understanding but strict as well. You ask for his help, he expects you to listen to him or else you waste his time which is not fair to him. I would be the same way. Although some people do not agree with some of his methods. He is who he is and he does what he belives is the right way to help. Well, thats what I get from him anyway. I dont believe he would harm a dog or try to break apart a family. He is trying to help! You can take his help, or you can leave it. So, I think Kim had the best intention at heart to have these dogs and to love them. But in the end, is this situation best for the dogs and the family?

It's only a half hour show, so we won't ever get the full picture.

But the primary problem with 15 dogs in a house is that nothing other than the dogs will get attention. Where is the time for family in this situation?

If the15 dogs are to be fully trained and exercised, that will take pretty much all the spare time the family has, let alone Kim herself. The other side of this is that the dogs don't get what they need because the family is trying to create family time, meaning they are neglected.

Kim feeds the dogs, and loves them so I don't think she is intentionally neglecting them, but I think she is too clouded to see what is really happening. The dogs looked distressed to me because they are cooped up, starved for sufficient individual attention from their owner and don't understand their place in the pack.

Kim also seems to resent anything that takes her away from the dogs, as her comments about how her husband's interests showed.
This situation is just going to end in grief, I
hate to say.

Kim, I applaud your efforts to help dogs, but it can be just as satisfying to find a loving home for them. Don't overload yourself and your family, but seek out fellow dog lovers who can share your love for the pets you donate to them. But you must also have time for your husband, son, and yourself.

From the video, what i can see is a lady who very much loves her dogs and would do anything to help out a dog in need, yes i agree 15 dogs is a lot to handle , but it's her life and she choose that kind of life to live, i'm glad you care,and love dogs.

It's clear that people feel passionately about this episode, on both sides of the argument.

It's unfortunate that Kim feels so attacked by people who don't agree with her point of view, but I also think that people don't anticipate the impact of putting yourself out there publicly via a TV show, and that people will have opinions about it, some with very strong opinions.

I am personally a dog owner and dog lover. I have 2 rescue dogs, and find that I often have guilt over not being able to give them each enough individual time and training, and I do spend a considerable amount of time with them. So in watching the show, I had my own personal reaction to the number of dogs in one household, and felt that it is unfair to the dogs. That's not to say that they aren't fed and cared for, but in my opinion, that's not enough. And I believe that was the issue that Brad had with the situation as well. With all of Kim's good intentions and big heart, it's the dogs that aren't living to their potential. No I don't know Kim or perhaps the whole situation, but there are some realities to this situation.

My heart breaks when I hear of dogs living in shelters for extended periods of time or are put down, and I would love be able to rescue them. But I know that saving another will actually worsen the situation, and in the end, not help my dogs. So I trust in other kind souls to open their hearts and help these dogs. It's the most humane thing I can do.

There are good people out there to adopt dogs, and Brad was willing to help find potential owners that lived up to his standards. Those are pretty high standards, too.

Hopefully someday Kim will understand this as well. From one dog lover to another.

I'm 13 and have a 7 month Newfoundland pup. She was a birthday gift that's always with me and was second best in a basic obedience class.I am her owner, I take care of her and I trained her! When I here of ADULTS who cannot train their dogs, to me make them look like complet idiots! There suposed to be the "good exemple" for kids like me.

It is so sad that Kim found the need to own that many dogs.
Personally I own one calm, well behaved dog and she is like a kid and takes up ALL my time. I will get a second dog but that's the limit.
I can't imagine how she thinks owning 15 dogs is humane.
Those poor dogs, family, and anyone else affected.
I bet that kid is really ashamed at the situation, and wished he could do something about it.
Seems like both husband and kids hands are tied.
I hope Kim does something not in her own interest but in her husbands interest, her sons interest, and her dogs interest!
Those dogs need homes that will give them 100% attention, training, and love.
Brad - you did only what you could do and you can only beat a dead horse for so long.
It's too bad you couldn't help them more, but you can only do so much. I found your ways of trying to help were amazing, and any normal person would've instantly realized what was going on.

dee dee

Come on! Kim has a serious probleme! She has 15 dogs!!! You c'ant tell me they have all there shots because that would cost a fortune! And also do think her dogs are regulary bath and groomed!!!

The SPCA should remouve all 15 dogs!!!

Hey Stephanie - maybe I didn't explain it clearly, but I think 15 dogs is wrong too. I can't go so far as to say the SPCA should remove all of them, but it is the dogs well being is not being served.

And the comments about hoarding - I think that you can be obsessive and collect one thing (dogs), and it doesn't mean that you hoard other things. The dogs seem to be a bit of a compulsion.

hello I know tim and kim and can say that they do alot together and that they love and care for logan and all the animals better than most people with one animal.I don't know where this brad character gets off talking to people the way he does!all I can say is he's lucky tim has an even temper because i would of kick brads ass out of my home so fast it would of made his head spin!

It looks like Brad was probably the first person in a long time to stand up to Kim and her obsession with dogs. When she said that line "I'm their mom"! I knew then that she did not fully comprehend the situation she is in. You cannot be a mother to a pack of dogs. They are an animal and we are human. Kim should be the pack leader and caregiver of the animals not their "mother". She has a son. She is the mother to him.

I have one obedient Lab, but boy does he need exercise and positive discipline. I can't imagine having the time to meet the needs of 11 dogs and 4 puppies. My dog tries to dominate me by jumping up when he has a ball in his mouth, but I had to put a stop to that. Did you see how the dogs had a lack of respect by continously jumping up on her and barking. There is no way that she can have 15 stable dogs in that environment.

Maybe she should take training to become a certified dog trainer, then she would learn that you cannot be a dog's "mother", but you can be their leader and still give them love and attention.

Hi Brad,
I want to pursue a career as a dog trainer.
what will be the proper way to go about this.

Can anyone recommend a good school? and what certificates are recongnized.

I live with nine dogs. five neopolitan mastiffs, two staffies and two shihtzu crosses. We all get along very well together. I am the pack leader. My adult daughter is also a pack leader. I can take my dogs anywhere wthout problems. Whenever I take my female neo to town, people always want to touch her. Right now my younger daughter is staying with us. She has two min pins and a pug. We all get along fine. I was raised with dogs, my children were raised with dogs, we are dog people, not just dog ownners. Good luck kim. With the ammount of misinformed do-gooders out there, you're going to need it. And people, the SPCA is not the animal haven they profess to be. And yes, my dogs have all their shots, they are vetted when need be and dont have fleas, worms or other health issues. My vet loves my dogs, and I can walk my pack anywhere without incident. I anyone doubts me, they are welcome to come visit, where they won't be jumped on, mauled, licked, barked at or attacked, but greated warmly and without malice. We: Ruby, Ghengus, Goliath, Jayden, Bagherah, Bindi Sue, Spud, Faarooq, Noel, Charley, Ivy and Pennylane, look forward to meeting you.

I'm not going to talk about Kim and her dogs anymore. I've said everything I wanted to on the subject, and that's it.
I want to address the comments that have been made about the situation.
everyone is entitled to an opinion, granted. but courtesy, good manners and polite respect are also required.
whatever your opinion about the situation, I think you need to remember about the old phrase, "you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." it's true.
calm, rational non-accusatory discussion will almost always get you farther ahead than ill-thought comments will.
so, I'm asking that all of you consider very carefully what you want to say, and how you want to say it. good manners never hurt anyone, and almost always pave the way to a successful conclusion. hurling abuse is self-defeating-you look bad, and your opponent just gets more firm in their opinion.
all of us here love dogs, right? and, I think all of us here have respect for Brad Pattison. but when we start behaving badly, and tearing each other down, we're also dragging Brads reputation down. which I think most of us would really rather not do.

Hey People,

We would do well to read Canadian-Free Spirit Blog comment(Fri,19 Dec'08 07:29 AM EST before we decided to post a comment on the blog.

WELL SAID CANADIAN-FREE SPIRIT. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

thank you O.D.
I like to be the voice of reason.
there are appropriate ways to make your point that don't include verbal bashing, even if you disagree with the subject matter.
I cringe when people, who may or may not have valid points don't stop to think about how what they're trying to say is going to come across. situations become inflamed, and the chance of achieving a fair resolution is diminished to almost nothing.
I keep to a higher standard, because I believe that it also reflects on Brad, although I have never met him, and probably never will. I am his fan-I'll say that to anyone. and I get great deal of abuse from people because of that, but I take the high road, and don't stoop to that level. if I can make Brad look better by my own comportment, then that's all that matters to me.

Well this is the last time I will look at this blog site.

I truly can't believe how mean all of you are and how ugly you can be, shame on you.

Do you remember the followers who followed George Jones? Be careful who you believe on this. Choose your words wisely they may come back to haunt you, and you will regret what you said.

I have 12 dogs I have no idea why everyone keep saying there is more (4 large and 8 mini) and my life is not hard and we love it.

I only asked for help on barking when the door bell rings and for my husband and son to pitch in a bit, like most families the mom does everything and it is a thankless job. I was tired of my husband sitting around and watching TV each night and keep in mind I would feel this way with or without dogs. My son Logan will only clean up after himself if you give him twenty dollars.
I wanted them to shape up. So after watching the TV show “At the end of my leash” I thought maybe Brad could help me with these issues. Boy was I wrong, my whole life turned upside down.

You saw my home on TV it was not messy and the carpets saturated with urine that is a lie. (only the garage, Tim job still waiting for him)

So the very first day when Brad entered my home he hit one of my dogs hard and she showed her teeth and growled, then he told me with in 3 years 60% of my dogs would be euthanized for being vicious, how many of you people would allow a stranger to come inside your home and let them hit your pets? I was shocked my husband and Logan were also very upset. The biggest problem I had after this day was my son asking me why I let Brad hit the dogs. My husband was also very angry and he said “Kim this is your entire fault” I never wanted to be on this TV show anyway.

The next thing was the lovely trip to COP where Brad decide to get me on a balance beam, then he said I am taking dogs from your home today, I said No!!!, there was no hugging after this like he said they told me to run off into the bushes to cry as they continued to film.

On the ride back to my house I cried and told Kelly (the director) why you are doing this to me this is my life and you’re just a TV show. She said “Kim wouldn’t you like one of you dogs to be in a home where they get all the attention”…..I thought about it and said yes. Then it hit me none of my dogs are alone because they have each other. The keep each other stimulated and interact with each other, isn’t that what dogs do and look forward too? I think it is far better to have more than one. No one will ever make me think it is wrong. We all have each other. With saying this I did mention there were 2 of my dogs that I would part with because their personalities would be better suited for a home for only one dog. But they didn’t want either of these 2 dogs.

I called White Iron in Calgary and told them I did not want to continue with this show and that was that.

I had many calls saying we have invested so much money, thousands and thousands into this episode would I please finish the show…..and that I signed a contract. So I was obligated to finish, on the understanding that I would not let them back into my home if they were going to try to take my belongings again.

You know………….

I would like to ask Brad again what tools he actually gave me because other than keeping the little dogs off the couch he said nothing, in fact he came out side and had a beer with me and said he thought I was doing a wonderful thing, so I am confused. Brad did mention to me why do you help these dogs I should have just driven away, so you tell me what kind of person does that?

For the people out there who like Brad keep liking him I don’t care that is your choice. I would not criticize you for liking him just as you should not feel so comfortable criticizing me as you don’t know me at all. What all you small minded people out there think about me is your problem so deal with it.

And all of you who have made the attempt to understand me and support me thank you. I wish you the best life has to offer.

And to everyone out there please adopt a dog and be kind it is not hard to be nice.

Do your part.

And one last thing, the lady from the dog park who states she knows me please then show yourself I look forward to a chat with you in the park. I think you are one of the few negative people at that park and I don’t know who you are. Seems to me everyone else has a different opinion at the park. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Remember “He who slings mud looses ground” and “Hot heads and cold hearts never solve anything”.

Merry Christmas to all 

Admittedly, I'm not a huge follower of Brad's and stopped watching the show last season, so I missed this episode. But I felt compelled to watch it on-line just now after reading most of the above comments, and frankly, I'm appalled.

Yes, I realize that there is editing in every "reality" show, that we're not getting the entire story, but there are still some resounding truths from the episode and I can't believe that anyone can think this woman is doing right by these dogs or should own this many animals. Watching her handle these dogs (and I use the term loosely in this context), it's clear she has no ability handling dogs. It takes a rare handler to manage more than a half dozen dogs, and this woman has no skills. How she (or anyone) thinks she/they should have 15 and be able to provide them with a fulfilled and rounded life is beyond insane.

But what angered me the most through the viewing was the memory of Kim's comment above - suggesting that we should rescue (which I have always done and staunchly support in many ways) - yet she has SO many dogs, many of whom I question whether they are even rescue dogs, AND SHE BREEDS?!?!?!

Kim, I'm sorry, you might be a very sane and good person on many levels, but when it comes to dogs, you are sorely lacking. Please think of the dogs first. You are NOT doing them a service. Seriously, you're not.

BRAD!! two things (and I really hope you are reading these comments)
(1) I hope this encounter has put a fire in you and started a personal crusade on your part to wake up the city of Calgary. PLEASE, if you haven't already, get something started to correct the lack of a bylaw that limits the number of dogs/pets per household. I can't believe there isn't something in place already.

and (2) This has obviously been a very sensitive blog entry. I have to wonder how productive the blog is when it results in name-slinging and attacks. I hope that my comment isn't perceived as such ... I thought long and hard before finally writing, but my feelings are strong, especially after watching the episode.

I DO hope the City of Calgary wakes up, and I DO hope that Kim sees the light one day ... for the sake of the dogs.

Okay - I just watched this episode again and I noticed a few things that I think people should pay attention too!!!

Brad Stated "Dogs do not have human emotions"

Ask yourself this, does a dog show happiness? yes! - when you come home.

does a dog show shame - like when you have just scolded him because he has just peed in the house.

does a dog show anger, yes. - if an intruder came into your home.

is a dog loyal - yes to the end.

does a dog feel hunger - yes.

does a dog require companionship - yes.

does a dog feel fear - yes

Think about that i think dogs do feel,

for instant a mother dog protects it young to the end, they would die for thier litter.

How is this any different from our (humans)feelings and emotions.

In fact I think it has been proven that we are very similar to animals and vise versa.

I also watched the behaviour of the dogs in section 2 - 3 - 4 and they actually seem to be behaved, surpizingly.

I also noticed some of the answers that Kim gave it appeared she was laughing, like when she said she would take the dogs over her husband, sounded rehearsed to me or maybe the film crew asked her to say these things.

Logan looked like he was a bit uneasy about the whole filming thing and his answers seemed rehearsed too.

Did these people have to answer a question by repeating what the question asked and then was it edited for sensationalism- appears to be.

I noticed when the dogs jumped from the truck they seemed to know exactly where to go.

I noticed the dogs coats where shiny and they appeared to be very healthy.

I also noticed the house appeared to be very clean.

I also noticed Brads teeth looked the same as the couch.

I also noticed the only concern these people seemed to have were barking issues and I was dissapointed that Brad did not provide that information.

It appeared to me in the last segment that all dogs werte walking fine on leash. I didn't see any pulling and I thought that was amazing due to the large amount of dogs these people have.

I also noticed Kim seemed to be happy at the race track with her husband and he seemed glad to have her there.

I also noticed the husband had his clothes on while in bed - was this staged?

I also heard different number of dogs so I am unclear on how many dogs they actually is.

At first I thought the the "I am their mother" comment was a bit weird, the funny thing is I say the same thing I just never thought of it before, I don't think it is that bad so I asked my self what else do you call yourself to your dog? think about that one.

I know I go home and say to my dog go see your mother....

I remember watching a program on Oprah and it was about puppy mills and the horrible things people do to animals, I was horrified that there are so many bad people in this world.

I admire Kim very much and I truly think there should be more people like her....who give a shit.

Please watch the show again and try to see what I am saying.

Maybe we should be questioning Brad.

Maybe the dog whisperer should have a visit with her maybe he could do a better job than to just walk away.

P.S. how much time did these people give her to have the dogs fully trained?

To:Watch the show again with a different view-

My rebuttal to you-
Yes dogs are capable of feeling happiness, fear, anxiety, etc. While these emotions are termed by us humans, they are not exclusive to humans. Simply put, dogs do not experience the world the same way we do.

While the show (like everyother show on TV) seemed editted, it did not seem scripted. While I do agree that these people may have been prompted by compelling questions, they certaily did not script this. BTW lots of people wear clothes to bed. I do sometimes....

The dogs that Brad asked to do a sit stay were 6 months old. I don't know about you, but I started training my dog at 8 weeks. At 6 months she was well beyond a 1 minute sit stay. Clearly the effort was not put in with these dogs.

My GSP (german shorthair pointer) is currently 8 months old. She is much better behaved then those dogs, this is because I put in the time and effort to train her.

In one segment, yes some of the dogs were behaving when Kim had a treat in her hand. That to me is no sign of true obedience! BTW I never put a treat in front of Lorelei (she has never experienced that) and she sits, downs, stays, etc on command. I trained her using a method of dog training from the 60's. Currently she is completing her Open level obedience (she already finished novice) and will be competing in the obedience trials soon. I hope to get a CD placed on her. When she comes of age she will also be doing her canine good citizen.

With 15 dogs it would be impossible to put in the time to properly train them all. Each dog needs individual time, there is no negotiating that.

What I saw were dogs that were being mentally abused and neglected.

Yes sure their coats were shiny and they were properly fed, but deep inside those dogs were hurting.

And a few other things...

When I saw those dogs pile out of the car and on to the street I was appalled. Yes, they did know where they were going, but they were obviously not trained. They had absolutely no regard for where their owners were-they just piled out and ran in to the park.

I personally think the dogs were handled horribly when the family walked them. ALL of those leashes were tight. I can only imagine the frustration that is building up in those dogs. Brad was right, most of those dogs will end up with serious aggression issues if something isn't done soon.

I hope for the sake of those dogs, the family and the general community that something will be done.

So what is every one so worked up about.

I think the show was a show and that is it. Why is everyone taking this so personally.

You really don't even know either of these people. You only think you do.

Personally I think this is hate mongering and it is against the law.

How does anyone really know what is best.

I think Brad has made himself to be a Jerry Springer of Calgary and clearly this is crap TV if you ask me. I would never agree to be on a reality show, I really think they hurt people as I can see from all the posts.

I am amazed that Brad is allowed to hit dogs, has everyone read all the blogs....gross.

Boy I wouldn't let him in my home, I am wondering if Kim is okay with all this hate going on.

I think some one REPTUBLE should visit her and get their opinion.

What gives any of us the right to judge.

Brad states he is a life coach and dog trainer I am wondering who trained brad for either of these titles.

I think Brad seemed to be bullying kim into doing something he wanted her to do. I think she stood up to him and he couldn't handle it.

So he walked away boo hoo, get your ass back there and help her.
and if all the dogs are safe and fed and happy and exserzized leave her be. It is her life and everyone in a free country has the right to it. I really think she is doing a huge wonderful thing. All of us should be doing the same. Do we all fear it or are we just to dam lazy.

Maybe some one should help Kim out and she could learn how to train dogs to all of our expectations and maybe she could have her own show.

Leave her be, I think she is great.

I can think of far worse situations than this. Her and her husband and son all looked healthy too. Who is to say what is healthy and what isn't.

Its all good.

Has anyone read Kim's comment on how Brad walked into her home and smack one of her dogs? And would you allow anyone to do that to your dog? I'm guessing not. Myself don't agree with hitting a dog at all there are better ways to train a dog, and yes dogs do have feelings i agree with that to the fulliest. Dogs show when they are happy,sad,angry etc; myself i have two well behaved Jack Russell's and not once did i ever had to hit them, i just have to look at them if i'm mad and they know by my body language and yes dogs understand what we same to them as my dogs can understand what i just spelt to them so yes they have feelings and yes they understand what we say to them through words or our body like the saying goes body language speaks louder than words,

Just my thoughts on how anyone can say dogs don't have feelings or understand what we say to them.

One dog lover/owner to another.

Just also thought that i would say "who let the dogs out" LOL just trying to keep an open mind on this topic as well add some humor to this site.

I'm getting tired of watching episodes of At the end of the leash with people who don't really want Brad's help. The show is in its fourth season, so people who apply to be on the show must know what Brad and his training methods are like.

I was able to take a seminar in Toronto with Brad, and from seeing him first hand, he does know what he is talking about. To see him handle misbehaved dogs and have the dogs listen to him and behave properly was amazing.

And for the people who say they can't believe that Brad would "hit" a dog, it's about speed not force. Know your facts before commenting.

I would love for Brad to come to my home ad help me train my 2 dogs, if you don't want his help, don't waste his time.

Well said Amber:)

Hitting a dog will only make the dog fearful of you not respect you, and if you hit a dog on it's nose in time this will damage the dogs smell if done over and over again, so again i would not allow anyone to hit my dogs at all. Other than that some of Brad's methods are good, but not the hitting part. Here is a question would you allow someone to hit you in the face for doing something wrong? If no than why is it ok to hit a dog? Just thought that i would ask.

Just my two cents.

Dogs don't correct each other the same way that people do. Plan and simple. Hitting a dog to the point where they are scared is obviously wrong but done right a quick hand correction can work wonders. Look at Cesar's methods for corrections.

Like Amber said know your facts before commenting.

I've been going over and over this episode, because I found it so disturbing.
while I admit that I admire Brad whole-heartedly, I'm also the first person to say that I don't use ALL his methods. I have adapted some, that have brought me great success.
Brad NEVER gets called into a situation because all is well. I would never need to consult with him.
the people we see on his show are the ones who are in trouble, and do need his help. and I think that if you call in an expert for his opinion, than you should follow his advice. and that's why people call Brad. almost every episode shows that there is some reluctance to embrace Brads instructions/tools, but when they family/owner does, the difference is night and day. Brad has proved, countless times that he knows what he's doing. if you've seen the show (all of us have) you know that. and you know his MO. he's not "Mr. Nice Guy", but he can be. all he wants is assignments to be done. it's that simple.
so, Kim called him into her home to deal with a noise problem. Brad instantly identified that one of the reasons for the noise problem was the number of dogs. the more dogs, the more noise. that's logical. so he tries to alleviate the noise issue in the easiest way, first, i.e. by re-homing some of the dogs. he's met with refusal. okay, he gives some instructions for certain training to be done. it isn't.
I fail to understand why Kim is so upset with Brad, because she knew full-well who he was, and what he was like before she brought him into her home.
and, now I reach my main point in this post. her home. yes, it looked neat and tidy, especially what I could see of the kitchen. but the black light was unmistakable, and disturbing.
however, by far, the most disturbing thing to me was how all the kennels were stacked on top of each other. that's what puppy mills do. and even though all the dogs were loose in the house, the fact that all those kennels were there indicates that they are used. I wonder what it's like to have to put all those dogs into those kennels. I should think that if the barking is bad when the dogs are loose, that it would be unbearable if they were all caged.
Kim, if you read this, I want you to understand that I'm not your enemy. I'm not talking trash about you. I'm trying to make some points that I think maybe need to be considered.
I have 3 dogs, that's the maximun allowed in my city, and nothing could persuade me to part with any one of them. I often play a head game with myself about which one I'd give up if I ever had to. I can't come up with an answer. so I understand how you feel-that you can't part with any of them. there comes a time however, when you have to look at the situation realistically, and say that no matter how much you love your dogs, and I don't doubt at all that you do, you have to consider what's in their best interest. I think you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that you have to relinquish some of them. not all at once, I would never ask you to do that, but one at a time. you cand vet prospective owners (be honest, give them a chance) even go to see their homes to see how the dog would live, if that would make it easier for you.
as for Brad, he said he's finished with you. maybe. but I think if you contacted him and told him very honestly that you knew you had to re-home some of your dogs, I think he'd help you. I don't know him, so I can't say that for sure, but from watching the show, I know that when owners make efforts, Brad's easier to deal with. please, for your sake, for the dogs, for the rest of your family, consider what I'm asking you to do. it won't be easy. but there's help to be had doing it. thank you for listening. CFS

Amber,

You are a smart lady. I agree with you.

Re: smacking. I have watched every episode of Brad's show. He doesn't smack the dog, he taps them to redirect them and get the dog to quit trying to be the pack leader.

Watch youtube number 6 he smacks a dog on the nose just because the dog wanted to get back to it's owner.

My friends ran into Kim in Kananaskis with her brood of dogs were surprised to see so many dogs with Hustle Up! collars on them, so they figured she was a fan. When they stopped to chat with Kim (this was during the summer and they didn't know she was on the show), she started bashing Brad. She said he hit her dogs, physically pushed her (yeah right! He is most certainly not a woman beater, and that's extremely slanderous, and she should be careful about saying stuff like that) and all sorts of other slanderous things. Once she realized my friends are Brad fans and supporters, she retracted all her statements, then saying Brad was a nice guy, never hit her dogs or pushed her, and tried his best to help. This was confirmed by all 3 of my friends who were all there together, listening to Kim's wishy washy statements. When they asked her what her neighbours think of her 15 dogs, she said she rotates them when she lets them outside so they think she only has a few, not 15.

Sounds like Kim needs some help... not with the dogs, with her mental state.

I do not see her as a saint to dogs. She bred most of her 15 dogs, so to me that's a backyard breeder. If she was a good breeder, she wouldn't have 15 untrained dogs and a house soaked in dog waste!! I have one puppy (3 dogs total because my city of 32,000 people has a bylaw prohibiting more than 3) and she peed at LEAST 50 times before she was house broken and I had to clean it thoroughly to get the scent out so she wouldn't keep peeing there. Take that and times it by the 4 puppies Kim has, and well, gross. Chances are, it was piss all over the carpet.

Also, we know at least one min pin isn't fixed, so chances are, a lot of couch marking is going on. It's very unlikely the black light detected anything but urine. If the carpet was soaked because of something else, it just shows me she's untidy and not taking care of her house.

Her son said clearly, on the show, that he didn't want all those dogs. Her husband was in agreement that they needed to rehome some of them.

Kim's in denial, and needs professional help. I am going to be pushing the City of Calgary to implement a by-law prohibiting so many dogs. This kind of thing needs to be stopped. I'm sure the Humane Society, ARF, Animal Services, etc. would not think having 15 dogs is healthy for anyone, especially the dogs. We all saw them snapping at Brad, eachother, and BEGGING Kim for attention. My dogs don't do that. They are happy and well socialized, unlike the 15 in the episode.

Don't come and complain that you're being made to look bad. Had you taken Brad's advice and rehomed even 2 of the 15 dogs, we'd all see you at least realize something's not right and were at least trying, but you did nothing at all. You wasted his time and took up space that someone who really wanted his help could have taken.

It was a disturbing episode.

I have seen Brad work, and again, it's about speed, not force, just like when a dog disciplines another dog.

About Brad smacking a dog because it wants to get to it's owner, that's not as black or white as you state Marcy. Brad corrects it because it needs to pay attention to him, not it's owner. The dog was being disrespectful to it's handler and not paying attention, therefore, Brad needed to get it's attention. He didn't beat it or hit it. The dog didn't yelp in pain or fear, it paid attention. Do you know how many dogs love Brad? It's amazing to see all of his clients and their dogs around him. The dogs want to be with Brad more than their mom and dad!!

Don't comment on things you don't understand.

It is wrong to hit a dog just to get it's attention there are other ways of doing so. And if you watch the clip number 3 the dog jumps as if he was going to get hit for doing something he/she didn't do, while teaching it to leave it, but leave what there was nothing there for the dog to leave, like i have said there are better ways to train a dog without the force or speed of hitting a dog sorry i don't agree with the hitting part for speed or anything for that matter, one day someones dog is going to bite than after being hit over and over again in time this will happen. You may agree with the smack as for being speed to get the dogs attention but your not getting the dogs respect.

I watch the show again and i can say that Kim was not taking anything Brad was telling her, if she would have just listen to what he was trying to tell her than maybe the dogs would have started listening to her a bit better than they were at end of the show. There are somethings that he was trying to get her to open her eyes, but she was not having it, Kim we know you love your dogs very much, but there is time where maybe your in over your head by having too many dogs. So i question....why did you ask Brad for help if you were not going to go through on what he was trying to help you with?

I havwe watched this episode twice and I was somewhat disgusted with this womans behaviour. She is providing housing for the dogs but she's no heroine. She had the opportunity to adopt these dogs out to homes recommended by Brad... time, attention, love, training; all possible for these dogs but she chose to keep them all because having them served some kind of selfish purpose for her. Several of the dogs are purebreds, they would be welcomed in many homes where they'd be shown the love and attention they deserve. What I found most irritating is that this multiple (escessive) dog owner had Brad's help and she turned it down in an irritating show of denial as to her motives. I had some empathy for her husband but still felt a little bit of disappointment that he is so lacking of a backbone. But, I'm not a psychologist and it's not really my business. I'll conclude by saying that as soon as I became familiar with Brad's techniques I employed them with my sisters beautiful German Shepherd. The dog Sunny was a little confused initially but I didn't bend the rules to make myself feel better; I knew that my being Alpha is in her best interest. So... if this woman is to be applauded as a hero for loving 15 dogs, I'd like to see her put their interests ahead of her own, even if it means challenging her own notions that adopting them out and discipling them is unloving. It's not unloving, it's selfless and I'd be delighted for her sake and that of her husband and son that she puts the interests of others (humans and dogs) ahead of her own. Best wishes to this family and to Brad in his work which I admire and respect.

Marcey,

" Here is a question would you allow someone to hit you in the face for doing something wrong? If no than why is it ok to hit a dog? Just thought that i would ask.

Just my two cents. "

No, i wouldnt.. because we speak the same langauge! however you have to understand that the communication going on is between man and k9.. are we that arrogant of a race that we expect the dog to understand what we are saying without showing them first what it means? Say you ended up in the middle of a rainforest, and a tribe took you in, do you think they would say... "Umm hey Marcey, sorry hun, can you make sure you pee past the ridge over there... thanks.. cheers" NO they are going to phycially show you what you are doing wrong, because you dont understand the clicks and boops, and other noises that they make to communicate with each other.

Dogs do the same thing, they have their own communication lines, they run their own k9 internet and your unfortunately not allowed on their Wikipedia of information because you don't speak dog... So when Brad does correct a dog, he is doing so knowing that this is what dogs do, this is about alpha and seniority in the pack - this is as much about respect to Brad as it is the Brad respecting the dogs. This not a hit with the intention to hurt, it is a hit to gain status in the pack, to show the other dogs he is the leader, he is king sh!t amoungst them.

You see there are many ways to train a dog, treats do work, however you have to think of the pack mentality here. The leaders will always eat first, then the rest of them. Giving you dog treats (good boy, you made a pee pee, and a poo poo) is lowering your status and killing your dog at the same time. Giving treats to your dog for peeing is like handing money to your toddler for going potty on the toilet... soon enough they catch on and learn that if they make a couple of dribbles, they get something good... (my brother learned this the hard way with Thomas trains.... poor guy nearly ran him broke..)

Regardless, you should never hit a dog when you are mad, emotional, ect.. That is unfair to the animal - we do not hit our dogs for the sake of hitting them, we do not want to inflict damage on them, trust me I care for my dog more then any of you guys, why would i want to hurt it? I correct my dogs behavior so she knows it is not acceptable, however she will test me and see if she can get away with it - after all she is a master manipulator.

I just read through many comments and am a little shocked to hear so many people attacking Brad's techniques. Brad isn't a jerk, he's an advocate for dogs and a truth teller; if he doesn't risk incurring the wrath of clients and viewers then dog owners who work hard to believe their own denial about their own laziness, he'd make little progress. He's intuitive and compassionate but he is dedicated to helping dogs first and the dogs families second.
Kim, I'm happy to hear that you support your husband at the track when the camera isn't on you; perhaps you felt attacked (or exposed) on television which led to your mean and I quote "slanderous" accusation that your husband was arrogant. You corrected yourself and pointed out that maybe proud is a better word to describe his passion for racing. You asked for help, then rejected it, while embarrassing yourself and your family in the process. You have 15 dogs: you obviously have love in your heart. Try to sift through all of these opinions and use the constructive criticism to improve your situation, to put your human family first and reject the harsh comments of people who don't fully know your situation. I believe (based on your feedback on this blog) that you have been able to see things a little more objectively but aren't able to defend yourself since the episode is over. I'm sure it's easier said than done, but try to not worry about what your critics say and just focus on using what you learned to care for your self, your family and your dogs.

Peace,

Sarah

Giving treats doesn't lower your status! Food comes from you, so how does that lower your status. You feed the dog, so each time you give your dog food, you lower your status,right!! There's too much emphasis put on pack leader and alpha status. Dog packs are not wolf packs! Wolf packs are family groups, ie, related members. The alpha members of a wolf pack do not necessarily eat first. If you watch film of a true wild wolf pack then you'll see that. These 'packs' you see in zoos etc are very rarely related animals. Please read and watch some real dog behaviourists..dogstardaily.com is a good place to start. Oh I'm sorry none of these people even give their dogs a light tap on the nose and from the video on youtube, considering I can hear the smack it wasn't light. Video number 3 is particularly disturbing. If that dog was fearful of biles/skateboards then now he's going to be really fearful of them. I hope people can come to their senses

One last thing: The results yielded by Brad is all the proof needed that his techniques work. As for his education? I googled him and was impressed that he has so much natural talent and has used it in a way that allows him to live out his passion while helping other people. He's awesome.
And for the person who called Kim an idiot: that was rude and uncalled for.

Kim: rather than criticize Brad for having a beer with you and commending your generous spirit with respect to giving so much of yourself to these 12 dogs, try thanking him and taking his advice. If half of us commenting on this blog are blind to the truth then you need not worry about our opinions. Criticizing Brad and the crew isn't helping your case.

Well said, Doreen !!!!

These are really good videos on understand wolves and man, and our dogs.

The video is called the wolf man how this guy lives with real life with a pack of wolves, i just thought that i would share it.

hey LOL, I've seen that show and it's pretty good. It's not an actual family wolf pack but it comes pretty close. I know I've seen some shows about the wolves in Algonquin Park and if I could remember them. There's another one that's on quite frequently on either NG or Discover about wolves that live on the West Coast. The main difference is wolf packs are family groups and dog packs are usually made up of unrelated individuals. Coyotes usually exist in very small groups or pairs and don't come together very often, except maybe to hunt larger game. The coyotes I've seen in Eastern Ontario and yes I've seen them are usually single animals or pairs. We get lots of tracks around here and usually there's just one or two sets of tracks.

Yes wolves are very much family pack the videos gave me some more insight on how they would interact with one another, pretty close to our own dogs if you have 2-3 dogs or in fact if you have a mother dog and her sibling it is great to watch how our dogs interact with one another. The shows were on NG. Great information and insight on how they act as a family, loving,caring, and also being there for one another.

Very true and you'll notice that there is no alpha rolling. The wolf who is submissive rolls over on his own. Also wolf cubs are very often fed first, because mom brings back food for them and regurgitates for them. The whole jumping up is a dominant thing is bs. Dogs jump up because they're trying to lick your face most times. Watch puppies, that's what they do to older dogs, it's a very submissive gesture. If you have a dog who jumps up and you get on his level, chances are he'll start licking your face

I just find it funny and arrogant of us as humans to think that dogs think and feel the same way as we do and not bother to really understand the needs of the dogs.

Kim wants to be a "mother" to the dogs but isn't acting like one to her own child. The comment about possibly choosing the dogs over her family is shocking.

I don't understand. If Kim's family didn't want to change anything around the house, why did they waste Brad's time and a perfectly good episode where he could have helped another family.

Well said, Doreen

It is true when you get down to your dogs level they will lick you lips as the wovles do when they greet each other, your also right there is no alpha roll they are submissive, respectful to one another. I don't agree with this whole jumping up is a dominanting thing they are just trying to greet you by trying to lick your face to show you that they do respect you, and are submissive to you. Notice that they just mouthing one another or standing over another and in the videos states that this is how they domnant one another, i notice with my two dogs mother and daughter that the daughter will try to do this, she will mouth her mother or she will stand over her, i also have done it to see what my dogs would do and OMG they both were very submissive i didn't do the mouthing, but did put my body over them and they became very submissive and rolled onto their backs. No hitting, no smacking,and no yelling all body language.

not much needs to be said here except the obvious: Brad, you are a genius and Kim you are an idiot. Animal cruelty is reprehensible and it's unfortunate there is no organization to help these dogs. Brad, your compassion and willingness to help anyone, even those who ignore your instructions is fantastic: even for those who ignore you like Kim. Obviously she thought you were qualified when she contacted you in the first place. The only ones suffering are those poor dogs (and her family). The family has power to change their situation; the dogs do not.
Tina
Hamilton Ontario

LOL & Doreen,

Number one dogs jumping up is extremely dangerous, number two not all dogs will be submissive if you get over top of them some will become aggressive , and number three you cant compare interactions of puppies to adult dogs there not the same thing. You guys aren't truly understanding dog behavior you are just watching theses show and twisting everything around to make it seem the way you want. Walk up! Brad's gets amazing results there is a reason thousands of people have go to him to help there dogs.

Kim, please do not worry yourself sick about something that Brad Pattison says. If you look at it from a different perspective, do we know what Brad's credentials are? NO. Do we know if he has a degree in animal behavior? NO.

Everyone is allowed to express an opinion but from what I have read here, you are the one that is not allowed that right. I find Brad Pattison to be extremely arrogant and self riteous on the show and think he is a jerk but that is my opinion.

I don't agree with the fact that you have as many dogs as you do but I also think that is a demon that you need to deal with and it is not my business but unfortunately, anyone who contacts Mr. Wonderful(NOT!!)runs the risk of being verbally abused because I find that Brad has 1 theory in life and that is that HE is the only one that knows dogs and I have to disagree. I know a wonderful woman who is fabulous with dogs and if you want, I will let you know her credentials.

Take care Kim and again, try not to feel hurt by Brad.

I was wondering if someone could provide a documentary of all these people from each of his shows and their dogs and I would really like to hear their story of Brad being at the home.

What worked and what didn't.

I have noticed a lot of people from the show not entirley happy with having Brad in their home. I would like to know why some many people don't like Brad.

And why so some people like him?

On this blog a lot of people seem to be on either side of the coin.

I know some people that have been on the show pesonally and they could not wait to have Brad leave.

Do the people that comment know (really know) either Brad or Kim?

Or is everyone just shooting thier mouths off with know particular knowledge.

I really think a wise person stays silent and lets all the fools speak.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones....correct?

Or all all you commenters, lazy and usless like you sound, it is people who sit on there ass's and do nothing are this biggest cause for distuction in every aspect of life - get off the band wagon and get a life.

Maybe this was not even a real show maybe everyone is actors.....

Yes it can be extremely dangerous if you do not know the dog, but if it is your own it is different story; than you should know your dog well enough to be able to do this. As myself i know my dogs very well and this is why i'm able to stand over them and get them to submit to me; if i didn't know the dog no i wouldn't do it. Just like pinning a dog can also be dangerous as well. As for some dogs they are ok with puppies like people have said, about the Jack Russell's they don't get a long with other dogs nor do they get a long with cats,ferrets etc: well if raise around these kind of pets than yes they can very well get a long with other house hold pets and i can prove this as i own two of them and have watch them interact with one another,i also have watched how the mother will eat first before the daughter.

I just read a lovely book on dogs and it states.....Dogs live better in a packs then they do alone.

Since this is there true nature why is it so bad.

If you can afford it and they are properly taken care of? why not ???????

Heeeeeeeeey, judging by your comments 'to the public'......you must be related to Brad because you have nothing nice to say either....congratulations!!!!!

hey ..... as for dog behaviour,even adult dogs engage in licking with a more dominant dog. As for not knowing dog behaviour, it's the major part of the course I'm taking right now. Most of the books I have are on dog behviour. Stanly Coren being the author I'm reading the most right now. Him and Turid Rugaas to name a few. To Brad everything a dog does is because he's trying to get the upper hand. Yes,in most cases, jumping up is not a desired behaviour. My dog doesn't jump up and if I get down to her level when I get home, I get a big wet sloppy dog kiss. People here would do well to read a few books by real dog behaviourists and visit a couple of other dog forums!

I agree with you Doreen, i have watched some of Stanly Coren shows he is good with dogs.

Redyalix - great post.

I was one of the 3 that met Kim, actually it was Bowmont park, not Kananaskis but that's neither here nor there. She had one little pup in particular, manchester cross I think. She told us that she had "rescued" her from a "horrible situation" and was then telling us that she planned to breed it. Are you kidding me?!?!? 13, 15 dogs, or however many she has, and she is still thinking that she would like to breed more? Disgusting! Total Back Yard Breeder and I don't believe for one second that they are all rescues. The majority are the little min pins and are most likely the result of her breeding.

I guess what I find so interesting about the shows is these people apply to have Brad come into their homes and help them with their dogs & the lack of training. They ask him! Yet when he arrives they seem to resent his soulutions and put zero effort in. Then they wonder why he's so pissed?!

If you don't belive in the methods on the show then don't watch it, don't come to the website and don't complain.

I believe whole heartedly in the methods because they work!

The one thing that i can say about Brad is that he does not use shock collars for training, i have watched sit means sit and they use them, and k-9 also uses these collars, so my question is what do you think about shock collars? Myself would never use one.

This message is in reference to CS and the comment about people calling Brad for help.

Yes, they do call him for help but there is NO ONE WAY to fix a dog and unfortunately people are looking for help but did you ever stop to think about the possibility that Brad's ways don't work for EVERYONE? Why can't we respect the fact that some people aren't happy with everything he does?

It takes ongoing work even with the most well behaved dog and you cannot use only one method to achieve a good dog.

I am taking your comments to a lawyer, cant wait I know who you are :-) will see how much you like to babble, you have a manchester correct

Why would you take my comment to a lawyer? I was on the site to see when the next airing was of the 15 dogs episode as I had no idea the new season had started and saw the Blog Section of it. I didn't say anything against Brad or his techniques, just that everyone should be allowed to have an opinion on here including those who may be skeptical and no, I don't have a dog.

Whoever posted the comments about the lawyer and signed it CS is NOT me.

Looks like people like to come on here and pretend to be others???


Too much time on people's hands.

HOLY MOLY people! I have to say that I am somewhat disappointed in everyone. If I remember correctly, we all live in Canada and with that; we are allowed the 'Freedom of Speech'. This site has turned into a hateful place for everyone to verball abuse everyone.

I can say I have worked with Brad and yes some of his ways worked and some didn't so what? He is who he is and I am who I am....nothing more, nothing less.

CS, I remember that now! I remember how you guys were so disgusted at the fact that her reason for breeding her new "rescue" was something about her health which was a lame excuse. Brad should review the contract he had Kim sign stating that she wouldn't get anymore dogs... sounds like she may have more than a few now if her breeding happened since we know she won't find homes for the puppies.

Kim, I'm a good dog owner, but since I don't have a urine soaked house or neglect my family, I guess I'm not up to your standards for adopting one of your poorly bred dogs right? So sad....

Not really good at this stuff yet, my apologies TR you sound pretty decent.

Again I am sorry was meant for CS only !!!

CS - you are being very slanderous !!!!! what you are saying?you are speaking without thinking and a person could sue you for slander. It is against the law you know. I would like you to have the courage to meet up with me some time so we can discuss you ideas further.

I would really like to hear from the people who had been on the show their dislikes or likes about the training methods that were used. And does Brad do follow ups with people who he has helped out? Just thought that i would ask.

What was slanderous about CS' post? Slander would be Kim saying Brad pushed her. Saying Brad blew someone to get a show is slander. Repeating what Kim said IN PERSON in front of 3 people is not slander. It is at most heresay.

I do find it funny though that people have nothing better to do than comment on a guy they obviously dislike's blog!! It's borderlining obsession...

I think most people are missing what Brad obviously saw - Kim doesn't love her dogs as much as she loves the thought of them loving(and, more importantly, needing) her. In her own words, her husband doesn't pay attention to her, and her son ignores her. She brought FIFTEEN dogs into her house, and yet somehow, it's everyone else's fault. Control over dogs is not a substitute for normal human relationships.

No one in their right mind can possibly think that situation is healthy for any person or dog in that house.

I too saw this show. Very sad. I agree with Brad, Kim has no respect for her husband or his interests. Very selfish person. If she isn't willing to help herself, her family & dogs how can Brad or anyone else help her. She needs to get it together. Kim's lucky that she still has a husband. In my opinion, she keeps getting more dogs to avoid dealing with the human relationships in her life. When pointing the finger at herhusband for failed marriage, she needs to look in the mirror. That finger will be pointing right back at her. Kim needs to take responsibility for her behaviour & part in the chaos.
Don't people have kids taken away for adverse living conditions? I think a urine soaked environment fits.
Margot

I just think we should all stop thinking that either side is completely correct. We all have an opinion, we all LOVE to share that opinion and THEN WE ALL NEED TO RESPECT THAT OPINION.

Again, I worked very closely with Brad and his team for several weeks and YES some of the training techniques he has worked and NO, some did not but that doesn't mean that Brad's an idiot or that I am a bad dog owner, it just means that my dog needed a bit of Brad's techniques as well as positive reinforcement added.

Watch a full season of the show before you go making a judgement on Brad and THEN take the stand on either side but really, to base all of this discussion on 1 family isn't fair either.

Something else that I think we need to remember is that NOT ONE OF US is perfect and to slam someone for their decisions isn't fair either. I have made mistakes with my dog and I am working extremely hard to correct those and with us working together, she has come a long way. Along with that though, we did unfortunately rise and fall.

Carrie-Lynn you made some very good points. The biggest problem that I have is that he thinks his way is the only way and unfortunately that's not true. If it was then great, more power to him. Some dogs need different methods for training. There are dogs out there, mine included that just won't take that kind of handling and will shut down. If you think that's not true about Brad, just go over to his forum and try mentioning another way of training.

I belong to a forum where there are different styles of trainers, including one who started training in '63 and uses mostly the 'old school' methods plus praise and treats, depending on the dog and what the dog is being trained for.

I'm not perfect and my dog's not perfect. She still has some leash aggression but using positive reinforcement and a Gentle Leader we're making great progress.

Heck even Cesar Milan is changing his tune and I saw where he has an actual training dvd coming out that includes trainers using positive reinforcement training.

Hi Doreen, absolutely Brad gives that impression and he is VERY in your face but as individuals, we all need to make the decision for ourselves as you have of what we choose to believe.

I will admit, most of his techniques DID NOT work for one of my dogs(she is in heaven now) and I had to take a much gentler approach with her for the short time we had with her and my other dog couldn't not deal with MOST of Brad's techniques and that is why she and I have come a long but ONLY because Brad opened my eyes to the fact that I had to make more of a committment to her.

I have seen some dogs react well to his techniques and unfortunately, mine didn't but living in Canada gives anyone the right to teach their methods and have people that believe in those methods.

I can personally say that I got reeled in by the 'quick fix' of it all and should have just used 'common sense' instead but he did help with some small steps that I needed to take on my own as a dog owner.

Rest in peace Roxy girl,

I think having that many dogs isnt only unhealthy for them but for the family as well. I certainly wouldn't appreciate all those dogs running up to me barking. What about the smell in the house with all of the urine and marking territory. I would definately walk in that house and then turn around and walk out.

Good afternoon to all I have read most of the blogs on this site and I have to say THIS IS MY WIFE you are speaking about. She is nothing that all of you make her out to be. Please let this issue rest. She is very upset and quite frankly so am I. She is a loving giving person and I am proud of her, I only wish I had her heart and commitment. I fell in love with her for this reason, she is very loving towards Logan, Mike and myself and of course OUR dogs. I may not have agreed to all of them but I agreed with most.

I think you all need to know she has in the past tried to adopt some out.

but.......

Gus (one of the two we found 1.5 years ago) Kim found him a home and with in 24 hours he (Gus) ended up in the Heaven Can Wait Shelter south of High River.

because he pooped.......go figure.

Kim drove down to get him and brought him home and we decided not to put any of these animals through this again.

I can also tell you one of our rescues waited at the front door for nearly 3 months for her original owner. She took to Logan first.

My wife keeps a very clean house considering all the animals.

Kim takes the dogs to work with her on occasion and some family members have sleep overs with some of the dogs.

None of these dogs are suffering in anyway, please know this..... each dog gets individual time too.

I can say Logan is terrific with the dogs he takes them on as he is home first.

I would also like to mention Kim finds ways to job stack and they are amazing to me, she is full energy and hope and I hope all of you mean bloggers will stop your bashing about her.

I don't want to see her flame go out.

- When Kim married me she said she was marring me not who or what I am so please respect that.

Awesome Tim, good for you for supporting your wife during this awful time on here.

I do not agree with you having all of the dogs but that is my opinion and I would never pass a judgement on you, your wife or anyone in your family for feeling what you do.

I wish you, Kim and your family all the best in 2009 and who knows; maybe Kim could turn this into something good and make a fresh start.

Good luck,
Carrie-Lynn

Wow, that's alot of dogs. But everyone has their own thing. I just watched the episode and so they don't sit when you snap your fingers.....YET. With so many dogs it's going to take a lot more time than what was probably alloted for the filming of the show. Just be consistant and stick to that. Eventually they will get there. If you set your mind to it and stick with it you can do anything.

Kim, for your own piece of mind and to one up everyone that is slamming you. Work on the training. No matter how long it takes just keep with it. If you had 15 dogs (or 12) that sat on command, could be walked off leash and didn't jump up and bark at every noise NO ONE would be saying anything except " Man that's a lot of dogs, Wow, how does she do it. Good for them."
No one ever complains when dogs are well trained. People seem to think that if a dog is trained then it gets all the attention it needs, but on the other hand if it isn't then it's not getting attention.

I can see you love your dogs and that's wonderful. I can also read and know that the comments that are comming across are really getting to you. So this is a challenge from me to you. Work on their training and stay off this site. You don't need to give any of your time and energy to all the negative that is being said. You of all people should realize that your dogs are going to be feeling your moods along with you. So put your energy into training and spending time playing with them and not reading all this crap.

Personaly, I wouldn't own that many dogs but I'M NOT YOU!!!! You are the only one that is you.

Have a wonderful Christmas and enjoy the time with your family....the two and four legged members. Family is what matters most, not the comments of a bunch of people you will never meet.

All the best in 2009.

AWESOME TSA!!!!!

You said it all beautifully and with so much more tact than some on here.

Thank-You!

WOW - I am so impressed with the past few post from Carrie-Lynn, TSA, and especially Doreen (you seemed very angry in your earlier posts).

Whether or not we agree with Brad's methods, we all get to choose the ways we train our dogs and nobody should be putting others down for doing what they believe in. Good job everyone :)

Maybe it is the Christmas spirit that has everyone being nicer today - whatever it is I love it!!

Happy Holidays to everyone and lets keep up these positive attitudes all year long!

LOL, what can I say......sometimes I let my better side show.

Merry Christmas everyone!! Take care and stay safe!!!!

The lady with the 15 dogs has no compassion and time for her son. I really felt for him. With all the dogs in the family is the boy really happy?

Season's greetings to you Brad and I love your work! Blessings of peace and joy to you, your family and your dogs.

Shirley

I'VE PATIENTLY waited to see all your comments before giving mine.
Well Congrats to the show. It managed to do what it was set out to do. Get all you people hipped out over the show. What were you all expecting.IT IS A TV SHOW AFTER ALL; but it got all af you going! Yes we are in a free society,we should be able to say what we want without being bashed, but that's wat we humans are good at.
Just like us humans, dogs are differnt. We all respond to differnt methods, tone of voice and people. You may not like BRAD on tv, but unless you have attended his seminars,or worked with him, you should not be so quick to judge.
TO AMBER, were you in Toronto in Oct? So was I.I agree with you. BRAD DOES NOT HIT DOGS, it might seem like that on tv but is quick hand movements might make it appear so.
I tried many trainers in my area with differt approaches, some worked some didn't.When my dogs first saw Brad they tried to attack. With a quick hand movement they retracted and by the 3rd time trust me, the dogs didn't try again. They sat next to him willingly as if nothing happened.Training doesn't happen overnight, it's an ongoing life lesson. I drove 6 hrs for the chance to work with Brad and would do it agin in a heartbeat.
IF YOU DON'T WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO COMMENT ON YOU, PLEASE DOEN'T ACCEPT TO GO ON TV. KIM, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT TO EXPECT? DON'T BE ANGRY TO PEOPLES REACTIONS. THEY DON'T KNOW THE REAL YOU AND YOUR SITUATION.i PERSONALLY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT MANY DOGS UNLESS I WAS ON FARM.
Not all of Brad's methods work with both my dogs, but I understand and move on to other approaches. I have had the chance to meet Ceaser also, I also use some of techinques. Whatever works .
AS FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK YOU NEED A DEGREE TO TRAIN DOGS; THIS IS MY OPINION. I have been a nurse for 30 years. I have met some nurses with bachelor or masters degree and I wouldn't let them anywhere near my worst enemy.Having a piece of paper does not make you a better person. Yes,you need knowledge, experience, love, dedication,and committement to what you are doing.BRAD HAS ALL THAT.
Brad amy seem harsh on tv, but have you stopped to think, that's what the show wants you to think?
After 30 sec. of me meeting him and him telling me I should not have 2 dogs, because I couldn't handle them , my first emotions were to strangle him, but then my better sence got to me.I told myself, he doesn't know me or my situation. But I saw right through him and saw him in a differnt light.He is not as bad as he would like you to think. He is caring, respectful, gentle and funny. Yes he does want to teach You FIRST, dog second, because I saw him controll aprox. 40 differnt dogs at the same time, ALL WITH DIFFERNT ISSUES. He does have a way thim them.
To end this I will say. BRAD opened my eyes to differnt training techniques, but I continue working with one of is CET, Kameron Cuk from Toronto and he is making a great deal of differnce in my life and health (which I didn't go into but these techinques are making it possible for me to keep my shoulders!)In the end that's all that counts in my life.
Please doen't bash yourselves, we are all unique and differnt; to each it's own.You don't live with each other,be respectful of all.
All the best to all of you for a peaceful and rewarding 2009.

Well, I finally had time to read the comments about the At The End of My Leash show which features the family with all the dogs. There are a few comments I would like to make especially regarding Kim. I have known Kim all of her life and I would like to tell you all that since she was a very little girl, she has loved animals of all kinds. She probably began this love when she was about two years old. She has saved many a lady bug, spider or fly from demise. If a bird was going to fly into a window, I'd say they were lucky if they flew into Kim's window. She would carefully gather up each and every creatures she came across and did her very best to save their lives. She had a dog when she was young whose name was Jessie. That dog was loved from the first moment it came into her life. When the time was right many years later, she did the right thing and took it to the vet to be euthanized. She never let him suffer.

As far as the situation is now, she has taken in many and unwanted dog. Coming from someone who knows her, I can tell you that each dog is cared for and loved. Each dog has its licence and its shots and if any dog seems ailing she immediately takes it to her wonderful vet in Cochrane. I know because I have accompanied her there on many an occasion.

I do not have a pet of my own except for a Siamese Fighting fish that Kim bought for me. I even tried to give one of her rescued dogs, Gus, a home but I realized after a week it that being a dog owner just wasn't for me. Kim graciously took Gus back and never made me feel badly that I failed at being a dog owner. She took on Gus and Copper because she found the two of them lost and stranded when she and her family were out camping. She tried in vain to see if anyone knew where the dogs came from but to no avail. Rather than strand them again she took them in. I think they have a much better life with Kim and Tim, than what was in store for them running wild, dirty and hungry in the forest near the campsite.

Lucky, Jinx and Deisel(who has since passed on) were also lucky to find a home with Kim. All three were unwanted and would most likely been euthanized.

I have on occasion gone to dog sit all the dogs when Kim and Tim have a chance to get away. They bark when I first arrive and after about 2 minutes all settle and are calm and lovely dogs. It is amazing to watch them all interact. You can even tell them "Big dogs out - Little dogs stay" - and they will go outside as you have commanded.

Of course there has been pee spots. I dont' know of any home with puppies that wouldn't have pee spots. I will also tell you that their home is well cared for and very clean. I would not hesitate to take anyone into her home at any time. I have walked on wet carpet many times - it may be because they have just used the carpet cleaner I gave them. It is well used. And the kitchen area is mopped with a bleach solution several times a day.

Someone mentioned the dog crates. Well when I dog sat, I would put the little dogs in the crates at night. Of course they are stacked! There are several available for the little dogs. The big dogs Ozzie and Lucky are fine at night but the little ones feel more secure in the crates. It is not a puppy mill. Jasper just happened to have a couple of litters. She has been fixed now and will not have anymore litters.

I won't go on much longer but I really wanted to tell you that Kim is a very special person who sincerely does love all the dogs and I truly believe they are all living a nice life with her. Tim and Logan love all the dogs, too. They were all devastated at the thought that Brad might try to find a home for one of the dogs. They are their dogs!

Logan also is like his mom. He has a sincere love of animals of all sorts. He too, would save a lady bug from demise. He loves to go to the pet shop and admire all the creatures. He loves to play with all the dogs and like any teenager likes to do all the playing and not necessarily all the cleaning up.

I want you all to know that they are in a loving home, well taken care of, taken to the vet several times a year, or whenever necessary, and walked at dog parks many times. I have gone for the walks with them several times. It is a very pleasurable way to spend time with them all and they all love it.

Sometimes, I bring one of the dogs over for a day or two for a visit. Hera loves to spend time with us but I'm sure she is happy to get back with all the others.

I only wish that the television show would have shown what a pleasant life the dogs have with Tim, Kim and Logan. I know, because I have been there.

I know, too, all about Kim's love of animals because I am her mother. I don't know why she has so much love for them all, but I wish more people were like her.

I also know she loves her sons Mike and Logan and she loves her husband, Tim. She may have come across as uncaring to her family on the television show but I guess any one of us could have said something silly under the circumstances. Kim had no choice but to become defensive with Brad. She had hoped that the show would have shown others that yes, you can have multiple animals and that it might have encouraged others who have the love to share it.

I wish Brad could have seen her for the loving dog owner and good person she really is. I wish the show could have been done in a manner that would have seen her the way I see her - as a caring, kind and wonderful woman. I also see Tim as a kind and caring wonderful man. He loves the dogs, too. And Logan - he has always been well cared for and he loves each and every dog in the home.

Please know that all the dogs are very happy and very loved and so is her family.

Keep in mind the dogs were also a bit confused at all the camermen and strange people and cameral lights in the house. That is not a normal situation for any animal.

It hurt me to see my daughter so upset and I wish the story could have been used as a good example of the caring home I know it to be and the caring person I know my daughter to be.

Thank you to those of you who could see that.

This comment is from someone who knows the whole story - Kim's mom.

I heard Logan say he was happy that someone finally stood up to his mom. That doesn't lead me to believe he wanted 15 dogs. Also, I heard Tim distinctly say he wasn't consulted with on all of the 15 dogs, and that Kim agreed to adopt out (or sell) the last litter, but failed to do so.

I also heard Brad say that Kim is a compassionate woman, anyone with eyes could see that she truly loves those animals.

What I don't get is how she can think 15 dogs is a healthy situation for anyone, especially the dogs! Lord knows I love dogs. I have 3, and have fostered, and am looking at bringing in a neglected dog from Turkey at the moment to find her a good home, but I know my limits. There is absolutely no way my husband, as amazing as he is, would be sane in a house full of 15 dogs. There is no way I would have time for my kids if I had 15 dogs to care for. Kim lives in an urban area, not on a ranch, and it's not fair to the dogs, her neighbours, or her family.

Cathy, you have raised a great woman, and I don't doubt her love for those dogs, but she needs to separate herself from them and realize that she has the power to find them good, caring, loving homes and alleviate some of the stress on her and her family.

I think she has so many dogs because she's trying to fill a void somewhere in her life. Maybe she's experienced a loss and isn't over it and is trying to fill that with unconditional love. Maybe she isn't happy, I don't know, but she needs to be honest about the situation, as do all of you. No one can help her if they don't see a problem, and there clearly is a problem.

I know many kind and loving dog owners and even they would think 15 is too many. There is no way 15 dogs are well cared for emotionally. Good luck to you all.

Kim choose to live with these many dogs, we do not KNOW her nor do we live with her, However, by saying this i'm not saying it's ok to have that many dogs under one roof. As a animal lover myself, i understand that Kim has a passion for animals of all kinds which is a good to have, but there is a point in your life when you know yourself that is too many under one roof.

You can see Kim really loves her dogs whether it be one or 15,but just remember that this is her family not ours, like i have said before she choose to have all these dogs and she lives with them every signal day. I'm glad to see her family standing beside her and supporting her on what she loves, Kim, your a kind,loving,caring person you can tell that your family and dogs love you and want to be around you and having your familY there to support you on anything you decide. How many people can say that they have the love and respect and support from their family? All i can say is that i do hope you had taken what Brad had said and put it to work and remember training is not in a few days nor is it for a few weeks training is an on going thing any trainer can tell you that if not than they are not a trainer, it takes time for the owner and the dog to learn what is going on, and Kim i sure hope you keep up on the training that Brad has set forth if not try another dog trainer who may help you with the dogs.
Good luck on your training and if you have any questions please give me your e-mail and i will try to answer any questions you might have.

Peace !!!!!!

I've red through all of these comments and I'd like to add a couple of my own:

As for Kim's accusation that Brad "hit" her dog, if you've watched At the End of My Leash much, you will have seen NUMEROUS incidents where dog owners tell Brad "I didn't like how you hit my dog"...and it turns out he didn't "hit" the dog at all. He put his hands up and the dog ran into them when they jumped up or he otherwise blocked it.

Just because someone says he hit the dog, or even if they perceive or interpret that, doesn't make it true.

Kim may have a big heart, but there are clearly emotional issues at work here. Just like anyone who overindulges in anything, sex, drugs, shopping, she is filling the empty spaces in her soul with these animals.It's not good for her or the dogs. I hope she gets the help she needs. It's not an attack. It's simple truth.

As for researching Brad's background, there are lots of people out there saying Brad was run out of BC or that he was sued seven times etc. But, even when called upon to provide proof or more information, they NEVER do. Be skeptical. Make up your own mind. Or, show us the proof at least. Just because someone files a lawsuit, doesn't mean you've done anything wrong either. That's what courts are for, settling disputes.

Brad comes off like a dick sometimes, no argument here, but what interests me is how good he is at arbitrating and bringing resolution. This makes me think that his dick-y-ness is calculated to push buttons and bring a revelation or reaction and not an actual character flaw.

He's bloody impressive, I think.

OK Kim, you asked for email addresses of people who want to "hear the truth", I'll listen carpenter.rob.a@gmail.com

LOL, you are ABSOLUTELY right when you say that there is no 'quick fix' when it comes to training dogs. I remember saying to Brad once 'well hell, didn't I make a stupid assumption....it took me 4 years to break Toffee so I certainly wasn't going to fix either of us over night'. He thought that was pretty funny when I first said it but that was the BIGGEST thing that Brad had to beat into my head.

HUH, you need to be really careful making comments on how people see what Brad does. LIFE is based on how we all perceive something happens and it is our individual rights to speak of what we see so if Kim feels that Brad 'hit' her dogs....then let her feel that. I personally was CRAZY about that whole physical part of our training and DO NOT use it anymore with Toffee and we have gotten farther with her since.

Rob Carpenter, good for you for taking the initiative to have Kim email you but if she tells you the truth as she saw or understood it....are you prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt and say open minded. You know what they say.....'the truth' hurts.

Ooops, typo in my previous comment....I meant to say that I WAS NOT CRAZY about the that whole physical part of our training and DO NOT use it anymore with Toffee and we have gotten farther with her since.....MY BAD...brain working faster than fingers this morning.

Yes he does hit dogs, just go to youtube and do a search. If you watch video number 3 of him with a white dog, he very obviously whacks the dog on the nose. Several trainers have looked at this video and still can't figure out why he did this. There's another video in the same series,you don't see it but you can very well hear it. Oh and this is live done in Toronto back in October.

No sweat about the typo Carrie-Lynn I knew what you were trying to say. I do have to disagree about it being alright to perceive that he hit her dog versus didn't hit the dog. Let's pretend it's us instead of Brad and the dogs for a moment. I trip and fall over the curb and bump into you...You perceive that I intentionally charged towards you and rammed into you...One of them is an assault and one of them is an accident. It's not OK to NOT clear up the misperception because it will put me in jail. Allowing people to say that he hit their dog if he didn't, just isn't OK because people take it and go nuts without really knowing what's what.It's just such a can of worms. I just wanted to point out that perception isn't personal and private like emotions, it has external impact beyond the individual. I don't know if Brad hit her dog, but I do see how people misconstrue things repeatedly on the show. Anyway, loved your episode. I hope all works out for you and the pup etc! Cheers!!!

So, the Toronto video keeps coming up.I think that dogs are different than people. I keep seeing his results and am not qualified to criticize him. I don't believe he has anything but the best of intentions.

He's not pummelling them with brass knuckles or a bowling pin is he? How about a sock full of batteries?

Dogs are not people, people. They speak a different language. I wouldn't be surprised that it's a more physical language than we are used to.

How does anyone argue with the results?

Yes dogs are dogs and we are human which means we means we should be able to use other methods other than force. Dogs will respond to other things usually much faster and without the fear aspect.

Well said Doreen,

I agree with what you have said about him hitting dogs on the nose on youtube 3-6 videos you can hear the dog yelp from the smack #6 video and #3 video he trys to show the dog to leave it,but leave what there was nothing there for the dog to leave it, for order to show a dog to leave something there has to be something there for the dog to leave it, or the dog doesn't understand when you say leave it and there nothing there. And yes dogs are dogs and they have a different way to teach one another,and yes we are people, but we can all learn from our dogs on how they interact with one another, everyone has their own training methods some will work and others will not, but it comes down to this......how much time are you willing to put into the training of your dog? Training a dog doesn't just happen overnight nor does it happen in a few weeks, and if you force a dog to do something or hit a dog the only thing you will get from that dog is it will be fearful of you, and not respect you, if you watch the videos you will see yes the dog is looking at Brad,but also it's unsure of what will be coming next.


Cheers!!!!!

I just watched the Toronto clips on youtube and don't find anything wrong with Brad's corrections...honestly, as a cyclist I've had many dogs aggressively lunge toward me or chase me so I'd rather have someone physically correct their dog as I approach (to interrupt it) than have it bite my leg and be put down. To me, it's a much better option. How many people use prong collars or shock collars, is that more humane??

All the people saying Brad hits dogs are naive and think they are far better trainers than dogs themselves. I have never EVER seen a dog at the dog park give another dog a treat for coming when asked. I have however seen compelling video footage of dogs correcting eachother for stepping out of line, and it is powerful, aggressive, and quick as hell. You blink and you miss it. You video tape it and slow it down and it makes the sweetest dog look menacing and threatening, but they do what is necessary to stop the unwanted behaviour.

Those that think "we as people should know better than to physically correct our dogs" probably have badly behaved dogs that do not come when called the first time, or can do a sit stay for 5 seconds, let alone 10 minutes.

I agree that curb stomping a dog is wrong and cruel, but I'm sorry. A quick hand movement across the nose done correctly is far from hitting.

Dogs yelp all the time. My old dog was an alpha female and she wouldn't even whimper when she was injured. Once she broke a canine in half, and I didn't even know until I saw her panting and noticed it. When I took her to the vet, it was broken past the gum line and he couldn't believe she wasn't in agony. But let me tell you, the minute I grabbed her scruff playing with her, even lightly, she'd yelp and roll onto her back. She was a suck with me, as most dogs are when they are manipulating you to give in so they get their way.

Brad did not cause the absolute chaos displayed by the dogs. Brad did not force Kim to cry on camera. Brad did not force Kim to call her husband and his interests "arrogant". Brad did not orchestrate an unhappy home. Brad did not create an unhealthy and high anxiety environment for the dogs. And, finally, Brad did not call Kim to join a "reality TV show", she called Brad. Yes, as with every reality TV what was displayed is no doubt many steps away from the actual truth, but it does negate that this is a sad and pathetic situation for all involved. I can totally understand why Kim is mortified, humiliated, and embarrassed - it was awful to watch (but frankly this is feed is even more painful to read - especially those entries from Kim - I cringe) - but stop pointing fingers Kim. You are not the victim here. Get on with life and start making some adult, smart, and selfless decisions with your family about what is happening in your home.

I always chuckle to myself when at the dog park I watch the owners who "think" they have total control with a bag of treats call and call AND call then they beg and plead fisting out more treats in the hopes their dog will "come".

I yell "Hustle" and my dog stops what he's doing and comes running! He doesn't expect a treat or chopped up steak that I have seen some people bring to the park, just a good play and some praise.

Proper use of the Hustle Up collar w

orks wonders, so long as you are putting the time and effort into the training.

Don't ask for someone to help you with a problem that you created if you are not open to criticism.

15 dogs under one roof in the suburbs of a city should be illegal! I don't doubt that this woman loves these dogs and can't stand to see any animal suffer, but by some land and build a kennel.

I fully support a bylaw limiting the number of dogs per household.

I've just spent a lot of time trying to read these blogs. I found it difficult - for a number of reasons.

I'll preface this by reminding people - this is MY opinion - right, wrong or otherwise.

I find today's society sorely lacking in discipline. Be it adults, children or animals. Our world is a mess because we all believe we have the right to do whatever WE want. This is not a positive contribution to society.

Parents want to be "loved" by their children - consequently they never say "no". This does not make for stable, productive adults.

People don't want to discipline their animals for the same reason. They LOVE their pets. This does not make for stable animal behaviour.

Many of my friends say I'm mean or too strict with my dog. Yet, I can take my dog ANYWHERE - to the mall, dog park, people parties, camping, etc. I have no trouble with her therefore she comes with me all the time. It is my "kind" friends' dogs who must stay at home, alone. If their dogs are permitted to come along - they are tied up and/or acting up. As quickly as my friends tell me "how mean I am" they turn around and tell my dog "you're such a good girl".

My dog was a stray. She showed up at our home at 10 weeks of age. I was not ready for a dog - I commute 4 hours a day and so, am gone from home for 13 hours. I took her in because I DO love dogs and I put the next year of my life on hold and dedicated the necessary hours to training her. I still have higher expectations and so she is still a work in progress. I would never be so pompous as to think I could handle 4, 5 or more.

Kim makes all kinds of excuses for herself. She has all kinds of reasons for her situation and behaviour. NOTHING is her fault and she accepts no responsibility for the environment she has created. THAT is the problem. Furthermore, she is contributing to an already grievous problem of pet over-population. Her husband Tim speaks of a time where they "placed" a dog and it didn't work out. I'd like to know how much time was spent interviewing the potential new owners?

None of this is responsible behaviour.

As for many of you....I'd find it much easier to read your comments if you slowed down a bit and at the very least, displayed enough education and intelligence to get your spelling right - before you start questioning anyone else's credentials.

There are many people out there - professing to be "masters" of their field. Right now, in the dog world, we have Brad Pattison and Cesar Millan in the lime light. Both Brad and Cesar Millan have been heavily criticized for their techniques. Of course, if you pay close attention - they both say the same thing and offer the same advice. Albeit, their delivery methods are different. I've researched their critics and hmmm...lo and behold - all "treat" trainers; none of which are on TV.

People - start taking responsibility for your actions and choices. The world will be a better place without so many children and animals running amok!!

Also Manitoba Anne, did you ever stop to consider that some people have illnesses that prevent them from always being able to type perfectly.....like severe Arthritis(like myself) so again, think about something before you insult someone by assuming they are uneducated.

Manitoba Anne - I agree with you on our society lacking discipline. It started with kids, and has now moved to dogs. Ask anyone who has taught school more than 15 years the change in the behaviour and lack of respect. Yet this is a "better society"? I fear for when these kids run our country.

Same with dogs. Seriously - when has anyone seen a dog bark and "ask" another dog to stop a behaviour? Doesn't happen. They do it by fast corrections. Brad doesn't "hit dogs". Brad corrects dogs, like other dogs correct dogs - a fast flick. It doesn't hurt the dog - watch 2 dogs play and tell me that the way they pull on each others necks with their teeth doesn't hurt more! Dogs are physical with each other. Period. I use the nose correction on occasion - when it calls for it, and when the dog won't respond to anything else. And it works. And no, my dog isn't afraid or nervous of me. She knows I mean business, and she knows she shouldn't start a fight with another dog when I do it!

Carrie-Lynn - I'm not sure why you're making excuses for everyone and moderating people's opinions (as someone else said). I'm not trying to be rude - I just find it odd that you are responding to everyone. Yes, you were on the show, but many of us have been training our dogs this way for a longer period of time. Plus, I am curious how you can say that many of Brad's methods didn't work for you, yet you come across as an expert. Myself - Brad's methods have worked, but I have worked at them. And anyone who thinks that Brad's methods are just about punishment - think again. I have never had a better relationship with my dog thanks to these methods. Way more time understanding and teaching my dog than "correcting" them. What you see on tv are people who have never ever disciplined their dog!

We are all entitled to our opinion - but it does feel that those who do not agree with Kim are the ones who are the "bad guys" . Sorry - but Kim are doing those dogs a disservice - they are not being treated fairly. 15 dogs is not normal - no shelter would keep 15 dogs like that without help!

Sorry for the long rant - just had to get it off my chest.

If you grab a dog the wrong way by the scruff yes the dog will yelp in pain,as this dog did when he smcked/hit or whatever you want to call it, there are better ways to train a dog then to do that, my dog can do a sit/stay for more than 10 mins and i have never ever had to yank,hit/smack my dog for what i want her to do. My point is that everyone has their own way of training. Some may work and some may not work it depends on how much time your willing to put into training your dog. I could not bring myself to tap/hit/smack my dog on the nose there is just no way, whether Brad hit/smack/tap the dog on the nose it's just not right.

That is my point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion - just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not right. There are lots of reasons why it's right. I don't believe in all positive training - doesn't mean it's not right, means that I don't believe it's the best way. My choice. So please let other people have their opinion.

Nice name LOL, because you're cracking me up!! You don't know anything about my dog, but you assume I must have hurt her when I pulled up on her scruff. Like I said, cracking me up!! :-) I love how people that treat train, or use other types of "positive reinforcement" assume anything else is about cruelty and punishment. So sad that they can't see past their own front yard.

I'm with Gimmie a Break.

LOL - surely you know dogs don't yelp only when they are in pain. You can't get taken in by that. I've seen dogs yelp with no one around them. They are yelping in protest, because they aren't happy with what's going on. They are throwing a tantrum.

Yes, they are dog owners who are cruel to their animals, who do not provide proper care and inflict pain. These types of owners aren't blogging on a website about Brad's show. I doubt any responsible pet owner thinks it's OK to "hurt" the animal.

This is a bit like the debate of spanking children, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled it should be left to the parents.

hellow brad i love your show!i watch it when ever i can with my dog. althow she ushaly runs away.my dog is a min pin and her name is rokxy min pins are varry yappy dogs and we live in a apartment so when ever someone walks in the hallway she runs to the door and puts her nose to the agrownd and you gessed it starts barking. just the other day she bit a 2 year old. ooh...
she was crying like crazy. i feel so bad for the pour thing she was just a baby.you need to come to my house. at our last house we lived in a basement and the one guy upstars...he came out to our backyard and he reached down to pet her and she bit him he tryed to pull his hand away & she was hanging from his finger:/ and this one girle jaelah she is now afraid of rokxy.

anyways i`ve got to go,

your friend, your # 1 FAN makayla:)

I have done both treat training and no treat with all the dogs i have been around and grew up with, and i got the same results, but both without causing any pain to any of the dogs and i have had big dogs as well as small, but like i said everyone has their own training methods whether it be with pain or without. It comes down to how much time your willing to put into the dog, and if we didn't have problems with our furry little friends we would not need people like BP or CM who both use the old way of training yank and crank i believe it's called, this is so outdated, and as for positive training it has been proven to work over and over again. P.S. we all have a choice to pick which training will work for all of us, but the dogs don't have a choice on what we decide.

Peace!!!!

Hey LOL - can you tell me why people don't call treat-training exactly that -treat-training? If people are so proud and successful with this method why the need to disguise it by a different name?

I've seen a lot of people with the ever positive treats in their pockets and shock collars on their dogs. Good one!

You claim that treat-training has been proven over and over. Maybe in your circle but in my 30 years working at the Veterinary Hospital - that has not been my experience. The most unwarranted, boastful dog owners are treat-trainers. Hundreds have TOLD me how well trained their dogs are. Yet I've got ripped clothing and scars from protecting myself and pulling their dogs off mine. And that's while trying to have fun at the park, never mind at the Clinic. At either place though, I'm faced with owners FULL of excuses as to why their wonderfully trained dog is behaving inappropriately. It's always the fault of some exterior force. Some other dog or cat that provoked the behaviour. Or it was a rabbit that ran by or the truck with no muffler. Sometimes it's because their dogs don't like people in uniforms or children or the Vet...or, or, or......

When and if the day comes that I actually meet a truly reliable and obedient dog trained with treats - I may consider using them. Until then....it's just empty talk, full of excuses, and in my opinion, the acceptance of low standards.

All of you in your small little worlds of sadness and sorrow, with your manipulative words and your narrow little minds.

Listen for one moment.......

Who cares!!!!!

I would rather see someone doing good than doing bad and that is the bottom line. No need to go any further.

I don't care if you have 1 dog or 20. If you can afford them and you met there needs than so be it. If it makes you happy then what is the harm.

There are far more worse evils in this world. Then having a couple extra dogs.

Put your negitive energy to good use and do something.

Why do any of you think you are educated in any way to even make an opinion on how dogs should live.

I think you are all a bunch of mindless cowards that would rather sit back and make comments that hurt people, then actaully doing something positive.

If you feel so strongly either way then do something about it.

Stop bitching and start a revolution. Make it big and be proud about it, but don't hurt someone who is kind and is doing their best in what they beleive, who are you to tell her (then) they are wrong.

I remember once seeing a cartoon about anti abortionists protesting pro choice. While they were all busy protesting to stop abortions they hadn't realized they were all walking over all the unwanted children in the world they were totally ignoring them.

My point is get a life

So it is a different subject I realize but the end result is the same.




Thats right get off your buts and do something, get passionate do what ever it takes.

Sheesh! Speaking of and to "FULL OF IT"!

What the heck are you talking about and who are you talking to??

You give me the impression you're frothing at the mouth.

Get a rabies shot and settle down!

You know I wish everyone on here would have the courage to use their real names instead of hiding behind a alias names, then your point would be valid and even considered. There are a few on here that have the courage to say who they really are. Good!!

Thomas so you say you are a vet or are you an assistant? just would like to know

I agree with you are all full of it, it's time to stop bitching about who's training methods work and who doesn't , and as far as my dog which is one of 2 i got i used the treat training and i get people all the time wondering how i can get my dog to stay when told off leash in a busy place with people walking by all the time and if there is another dog in the area she will not just run up to it like most i have seen, and come back when called on the first time now this treat training does work for me maybe not for someone else and if your wondering if i still use treats for on walks "NO" i don't i only used them for the training. Hell i can have my dog off leash and if there are bones on the ground do you think my dog would touch it? Hummmm.......... i wonder????

"full of it" - just because people leave their opinion doesn't mean that they are not contributing elsewhere. That's a big assumption to make. And can we assume then that you, being on here making comments, are also not out there "making a difference?"

If you are concerned about people not leaving their real names, why didn't you? Your point would have more credibility if you did what you ask others to do.

True enough.........

I know I should not have asked people to expose who they are silly of me but I wanted to make the point that most people hide behind the blog and say thinks that are mean - you know what I mean?
If you had to give your real name I think people would watch what they say a little better.

I don't know really what to say except I know this girl (lady) and she is not what you are all making her out to be. I don't think she thought this would happen and really what you all are doing is putting out her flame.

Why?

LOL - you do just that - make me laugh out loud.

No criticism here...I'm giggling that your first line is:

I agree with you are all full of it, it's time to stop bitching about who's training methods work and who doesn't

but then you go on to explain how great treat training is.

Maybe I missed the point - were you referring to bitching about Brad and others?

I find it funny that Brad's blog has turned into an argument about which type of training is best. This is a blog about his show and his training methods for people who enjoy the episodes and like to share stories. I would never waste my time looking for a "positive reinforcement" blog to argue with the people about how their methods of training are wrong and useless, like they have on this site.

LOL, you keep saying that everyone should be allowed to pick the way they train their dog and not be criticized for it - yet, you follow that with some insult to Brad's methods and then boast about how amazing your dog is. If you're so confident in your methods why do feel the need to defend them so much and slam any other way.

Many people that use Brad's methods have tried other ways before hand with no success and decided to have an open mind and give something else a try; maybe "treat trainers" should try the same and realize that their methods don't work for every dog.

REPLY TO FULL OF IT:

Your first blog blew me away - so hostile.

Then your second blog left me stunned - you don't leave your name but others should??

Your third blog is incredulous! If people are hiding behind the blog with an alias - what are YOU doing? And then you still didn't leave your name. You expect people will email you and now you'll have their personal email addresses?

I don't think Thomas said he was a Vet but either way, your obviously trying to pick a fight there.

You say you know this girl/lady and I assume you mean Kim. You sound like you care about her flame being snuffed out. Maybe you could actually give Kim a hand. That would likely be more helpful to her instead of wasting your time and energy blasting strangers.

Hey LOL - why do you seem to think that if you don't give your dog treats to train that you need to cause pain to train?

My club does neither!

No Keri,

I was making a point to one person and to another person sorry for not putting both names up but hey i made my point.

Hello Sandy K, & Ashley


I don't cause pain to any of my dogs,or any dog for that matter, i was simply trying to say that treat training worked for me, and that it may not work for others. I have a friend who used Brad's training methods and it didn't work for him as this dog is now afraid of him, when he's mad at something his dog takes off running and won't come back when called this is not the bond i would want for my dog. That's all i was trying to say and that everyone has their own methods whether it's treat training or BP,CM methods. I am not trying to put anyone down for what they believe in. And as for Kim, it's a life she choose to live not ours.

I'm the lady from video #6 from Toronto Seminar in Oct., where Brad told me to stop talking because I was annoying him, and my dog whom you all think he hit.Well, let me tell you all, that it was a very quick swift movement by his nose, you cannot see it since it was obscured but you all jumped to conclusion that Brad hit him (Rex).Had you been there you would have seen Rex trying to jump Brad, trust me he hasn't tried that ever since and yes I have had to use it a couple of times since. Either Brad was rude or not I was there for my dogs, not for my ego.
All I want to say is whatever works for your dog either Brad's or someone else's methods, as long as you find something that works.I saw 3 differnt trainers before Brad, all worked on treats,and none worked with my dogs, spent plenty of money on the way.I also have several physical problems that at times hinder me to do certain things, but Brad's training methods have made it easier on me physically. Yes I put a lot of work into it, but at times I physically can't but I don't give up.
Just remember if you want to see the real Brad, go to his seminar and don't judge him for his TV PERSONA.
If your ego is easily hurt, STAY AWAY.
IF YOU LOVE YOUR DOG, GO!!
STOP INSULTING EACH OTHER.BE RESPECTFUL. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND SO ARE OUR DOGS.

Ok I just watched that video 6 again and nowhere do I see your dog trying to jump up on Brad. Standing up yes and considering your dog wasn't even facing in the same direction as Brad I can't see how he could be jumping him. And you can hear the contact with his nose on the video. I don't understand how people can be sooo in love with his methods. He's not even held in high regard with the old style trainers out there. Ahhh well what can you do...you train your way and I'll train mine...have fun with it.

Good for you Maria for standing up regarding your dogs and what happened at the seminar! This has been the problem with these discussions, in that Maria (and others) has been open minded with the different methods she has tried, and has found these the most helpful, yet those who disagree continue to slam them. No open mindedness there. Doreen - is there no way to respect others' opinions and what has worked for them? Many of us dog owners are tying to do what's best for our dogs, and finding methods that work after trying multiple approaches is something to be celebrated, not slammed.

I've read through this blog (what a task!) and I'd like some clarification on the some terms that keep coming up:

"BP, CM methods" - what does that refer to?

Is "positive training" the same as treat-training? Does that mean treats are always used?

I've only ever been exposed to training involving a choke collar, where a correction is made through a quick 'snap' - is this what you would refer to as 'old school' training?

Thanks to anyone who can answer my questions. :)

One more thing, does Brad Pattison's method of dog training fit into any sort of category? Have a specific name? Or is it a completely unique style?

Thanks again.

Hey folks;

The issue with the nose-smacking. I checked out the video amd watched it. Several times.

Maria is correct. The view was obstructed (by the pony-tail girl) but Doreen is also correct - you hear impact. I think it's a safe bet to say it was a nose strike.

Both Maria's dogs were becoming frustrated at having to wait, stand/sit and be apart. Also, the discussion between Brad and Maria was becoming argumentative which, clearly affected Brad - he said it "you're annoying me". I'm only assuming Maria's emotions were also affected. Brad's irritability transferred to the dogs. Take notice the whining and pulling escalates with the conversation.

It was when Brad began walking toward Maria - handing back the leash of her dog - that the trouble began.

I didn't see Rex try to jump Brad but neither did Rex stand up. Rex lunged forward as had Maria's dog and the pony-tail girl's dog. Three large, excited dogs, all pulling face to face. Both women faltered under the strength of their dogs. Brad pulled hard on the leash so the dog's front end came up.

It all happened so quickly, it would have been very difficult for Maria, while trying to restrain her dog, to catch all that was going on.

Given the environment and situation, I think Brad's "dog instinct" just kicked in and he reacted quickly to diffuse a volatile and potentially dangerous situation.

So do I think Brad goes around smacking dogs on the nose for this and that. I doubt it. In this situation it may have been necessary. It was imperative Brad interrupt the dog before it's excitement got out of control.

However, I also think Brad should eat crow.

He fixes people because they affect their dogs. He's not into the "energy" talk like Cesar Millan but it's the same principle and Brad subscribes to it. He allowed himself to become annoyed which affected the dogs. He might have waited a few minutes to settle himself, and the dogs, down before approaching. Instead he was having a bit of a "hissy" and he created the outburst. I'm chuckling - anytime I've seen Brad there's an outburst.

He's not God, he's not the Devil, He's a man.

Hello Lulu,

Nice name btw my dogs name is that too, anywys to answer your questions there are 3 types of dog training, 1) is old school which BP,CM uses,2) there is also treat training where as treat is used all the time,3) where there is treats, but this fads out after the dog has learned the command. Same here Pat i do the same thing use different techniques where it's never the same it's always different. And Doreen, i agree with you on what you said you may not see him smack the dog, but you can sure hear it, and i have watched the video over and over again i have also shown it to some people and asked what they thought, some couldn't even watch the video as they don't use this technique myself and others i have talk to use prise not treats. The treat thing is only for teaching a dog something like "leave it" or tricks once the dog has learn this then there is no need for treats.

Oh and btw the reason i use treats for the "leave it" is because if there is food outside then my dogs know not to touch even if i go into a store and my friend ask me is it ok to give her a treat i would say yes, but when i come back out my friend would say hey she wouldn't take the treat well that's because i tought my dog not to take food from anyone if i'm not around or off the ground this is why i used the treat training and now i don't even have too any more as i had said before once the dog has learned what i want from it then there is no need for treats. If the dogs from high park would have learn this none would have gotten sick or even died. P.S. And this friend has known my dog since puppyhood and she still won't take food from her.

how do you gain access to this video on utube

No one household should have 15 dogs. Unless you are an approved rescue there should be a by-law of what the max is.

Hi Lulu,

For what it's worth - maybe this will make it more clear.

1) "BP, CM methods" - what does that refer to?
It's not a universal term. People on this blog have been using it to describe methods used by Brad Pattison (BP) and Cesar Millan (CM)

2) Is "positive training" the same as treat-training?
Positive training is a generic term used to describe "rewarding" your animal's behaviour with positive reinforcement rather than "correcting" unwanted behaviour. Typically food, but not always.

3) Does that mean treats are always used?
Generally speaking if a trainer uses "positive reinforcement" it means they will use treats. And often, but not always, it never stops.

4) I've only ever been exposed to training involving a choke collar, where a correction is made through a quick 'snap' - is this what you would refer to as 'old school' training?
Yes. "Treat" or "positive reinforcement" trainers would call that "old school" because you're "correcting" rather than "rewarding".

Hey LOL -
Just a note to say...
Cesar Millan also uses treats/food. He calls it "motivation" rather than reward. He uses the food as a lure to get the dog to do what he asks. He discontinues the treats once the dog "understands" the expectation.

Sounds like you may have some "old school" Cesar Millan in you after all.

TO "WANT TO WATCH THE VIDEO"

Here's the link:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_4rLJpb6QVE

try copying and pasting into your browser. If this doesn't work, log on to Youtube.ca and do a search for brad pattison toronto seminar. It's episode 6.

OK LOL, enough already!

You've told us plenty about how super-terrific your treat trained pooch is.

Yes Pat i have watched some of CM and in some that i have watched he does use treats and other i don't see him use any, but i also don't pin a dog down like he does as this can get out of control if the dog to ever get away from yeah. And no i don't use much old school i have moved on to better training methods. And as for Keri, yes i am done. Also what happen to lastnights show god it was a repeat from last weeks like what's up with that?

Hey LOL - I'm chuckling as even though you speak out against Brad's training, you're the one wondering where the show is! And I don't mean that in a sarcastic way - it sounds like you still enjoy the show! And I respect that!

Maybe it's because it was during Christmas break? I'm guessing there will be new ones on next week!

I like some of his training methods just not all of what he does i never ever once said, i didn't like his show. All i said, there is better ways of training.

LOL - Hope you didn't take it as criticism! I didn't mean it that way, for sure.

Then what did you mean by it? If it wasn't criticism i just want to make one thing clear 1) i never ever said, i didn't like Brad's show i just don't like some of his training methods and there are better ways, there is nothing wrong on how i train or how anyone for that matter, but when you need to use force then that's not what i want for my dogs.

Peace!!!!

Pat, thank you for the answers!

whoops - you took me totally the wrong way. i just assumed when you didn't like the training methods you probably didn't like the show. no harm, no foul.

Ok i just wanted to make that clear Bea. And for dog trainers you can look up 3 of the types on the internet Lulu. Here is a website of one i came across... www.scribd.com it talks about the myths on dog training and dog training solutions.

Why has this become an argument between LOL and everyone else? Kim and family have FIFTEEN anxious, poorly behaved, peeing animals in a suburban house and they have no intention of changing. What about the welfare of these poor animals?

LOL: thank you, too! I'll check out that website.

Your welcome Lulu, and as for Maggie that's all in the past i have made my point about dogs and trainers and as for Kim it's her life and if that's the way she wants to live her life then so be it, don't get me wrong 15 dogs is a lot and you should have help with that many dogs in one house hold i know 2 is enough for me. And i do feel for these dogs cause there is no way you can share your love all at once, but like i have said it's her life not ours i understand where your coming from Maggie, no one in their right mind would have that many dogs under one roof without help, but hey she may have help who knows we don't know the whole truth about what's really going on in her home........right?

I have been trying to resist from joining in on this topic...but I can't do it. I'm really ticked off.

Brad Pattison is very experienced trainer. He loves dogs. You see that in every episode, his book, etc. He truly cares about the people he helps- you can also see that by watching the shows. He is a straight shooter- tell you like it is type of person. That may not be for everyone- I personally find that refreshing. I hate people candy coating things.

I have never seen any footage (YouTube or tv) where he has mistreated a dog. Yes, I have looked up all the Youtube clips that some of you are freaking out over. I think you are seeing things the way you want to see them. Not as they are. I do not see any problems with how much time he spent on this case. He spent 2 hrs? But he gives homework for the owners to do with their dogs. The object is to show the owners how to train their dogs. He's not suppose to spend all day every day with you for 2 wks. He gives you the tools- and it's up to you to use them. He comes back for a follow up visit. Enter a training class or a puppy class. They do the same thing. My trainer spends 30-45 mins with myself & puppy- then gives us home work to do for the following week (some times 2 wks). It works very well, IF you do your homework and want it to succeed. It is not reasonable for anyone to expect Brad or any other trainer to walk into a home with 15 dogs and get them all trained for a family without the family's help. They allowed their family to grow to 15 dogs- they must be expected to take responsibility in their training.

Now something people are missing: The average dollar figure people spend on ONE DOG is approx. $600 per year. (I think I spend more- but this is a figure most websites say). Lets do the math, shall we? $600 x 15 dogs = $9000 per year. That is providing they are all healthy and over the age of 1 yrs old. This figure would increase if they were younger then 1 because then they need all those puppy shots, spaying/neutering etc. It would also increase if there are health issues.


I don't believe this show is saying the dogs are not loved- just that there are far too many in this home. There have been people commenting about the peeing on the floor- and other people being very defensive about puppies peeing on the floor.

Yes, puppies pee on floors. I have one in my home right now. The point is- if you have a managable amount of dogs- you will be able to limit the accidents and eventually have a house trained dog.

I have 1 puppy...and 1 older dog. On one occasion, while my puppy was still new to my home, the puppy went pee on a puppy pad...my older dog walked over and pee'd over the same spot my puppy went on. She was marking her territory. Thankfully it was on a puppy pad! This is perfectly normal behaviour that is easy enough to correct with 2 dogs. With 15 it's not so easy.

I give this family credit for having big loving hearts that opened their home to these animals. But there has to be a point when you say enough is enough. You have to take a step back and take a good look around at what is best for these dogs. It takes love to raise animals, but it also takes love to realize that maybe you've bitten off more then you can chew (which is why the Brad was contacted).

It's easy to look into those big dark puppy dog eyes and fall in love with them! I think I fall in love with every dog I see on the street! I always think to myself "if I had the room.....". In my heart I know, EVEN IF I had the room-it would not be fair to me to take in another dog. Every free moment I have is spent with 2 dogs, 1 cat, 2 horses on top of being a mom and wife. I would not have it any other way. But adding another dog would take away time from someone else and I am not willing to do that. My family, my animals deserve all of my love and time.

Just something to think about....

Puppies peeing because they have accidents is not the problem. It is all dogs peeing because they are anxious and are competing for dominance in an environment that is uncertain, unhealthy, and chaotic . This is not about Brad (and whether or not he is a good trainer), this is not about Kim, her family and the state of functioning in their family (or lack there of)......it is about the dogs. In this whole thread that has been lost. What about the dogs - people? The fact that Kim and her family believe what they are doing is "love" is the problem. Love is not creating and sustaining this sort of environment and for having oneself say it is okay or have others say is okay or have others frame it around methods of training. Even if you HATE Brad, the fact is this environment is NOT okay for the dogs. Are Kim and her family members malicious and mean-spirited - no - but that is also not the point. Sometimes we have to put ourselves and our opinions out of the picture and look objectively at what there is to see. 15 undisciplined dogs in the city is not right - period.

MG..I totally agree with you. You and I are saying the same thing.

Brad is wonderful. He knows what he is talking about. He knows what he is doing.

There is simply no way one family can give all the love, attention, and proper training to 15 dogs. These dogs will not be able to reach their full potential in that environment. Let alone the huge financial commitment it takes to raise 15 dogs.

I agree that the pee in the home is a dominance issue too. As was the case with my 2 dogs. It's a lot easier to work out with 2 dogs- than it is with 15. Which was my point with that.

The dogs are the real concern. Their needs should be put first.

To {Have_dogs_too}
Congrats on your piece I love your attittude and views, similar to mine.

To view video you can also GOOGLE brad pattison and find link to oct seminar in Toronto. Like I said before, It's about the technique that works for your dog, and not if you like the person giving you this technique.

And to all of you who get offended or you think you are above people who mysspell words,GET A LIFE. What's important is that people try to communicate. Some of us have physically disabilities, but we don't make excuses for it we try and do whatever we can. So we mispell a word here and there, who cares and who are you to judge?

I don't think anyone is trying to put them self above others we are all trying to make a point, that Brad's way is not the only way in the world that there are other trainer's who use different training methods, not everyone is perfect in dog training. So please keep this in mind make sure you pick the right dog trainer and not go by what is on T.V. so please don't think everything you see on T.V. is the right way to train your dog as many dogs are different size and breed.
Peace !!!!!!!

and to also add.....I think of dog trainers as any other service I hire....I shop around!!! If it does not suit what I want and need, or in this case what my dogs need I did not hire the trainer. The first dog trainer we met with to hire used a squirt bottle, and I was not in to that so we met with a second dog trainer and she was a great match right from the start. I have no issue with squirt bottles but it was not for us.
we discovered there are many trainers out there with different methods so you have to find one that is right for your dog and owners.
I have spent just as much time finding services for my pets as I have for my own children ...LOL....I interviewed vets, groomers and trainers etc etc. The outcome has been wonderful!

Heeey... I hope all of those 15 dogs are either spayed or neutered!! I am wondering what you have done, Kim, with the urine soaked carpet described... lino would be one suggestion.

I said I wouldn't look at this blog again, but I did.

Please if you are going to comment - get you facts straight.

I have 12 dogs (4 large + 8 small)

They are all happy and healthy most are fixed.

I am not a back yard breeder, nor a puppy mill.

Once you have a pack, you can not split them up, they can become depressed and die.

My carpets are not urine soaked!!!!

The dogs are trianed very well, considering.

I am sorry I was ever on this show, for some reason I thought Brad was an actual dog trainer, I really was not thinking at the time that this was a reality show.

I have a normal family.

I am not mentally unstable, at all.

I am clearly not a horder.

None of you know what my house is really like you are assuming, and what is that old saying.....when you assume.

Please get you facts straight.

Please read throught all the blogs as I have put a couple in and you should really read them.

If you have a question - then ask properly, don't judge, because you really do not know what is the truth and what are lies.

Personally Kim, I think you should get your facts straight AND accept some help. Other pack members do not die when they are separated...how then can you separate puppies from a mother and send them home to a household that will only have one dog? Give your dogs a chance at a full life, with one-on-one attention, in no time they'd forget about you!

Also, Brad clearly showed on tv with a black light that your house was splattered in urine, how can you deny that?

One more thing. At the time of the episode Brad said you had 15 dogs because you had a new litter of puppies, maybe now you don't have 15 but at that time you did.

I think it is time to leave Kim alone.. I think she has a very generous heart to home all those precious dog's. She is doing the best she can, as far as I can see. God, everyone is so obsessed with the "urine". I bet no one here would want a black light used in there house. I have 2 dog's, keep a clean house and I'm sure there has been accident's undiscovered.

Let's give Kim some credit & a break!!!

Working in a medical field I like to challenge all of you to get a professional black light and use it in your own home. You would all be surprised in what you would find. So stop judging others.Kim ,before you applied for Brad's show you must have seen it.Tact is not his forte, yet you agreed to do it.So please don't complain. It is your choice to have as many does as you please.Is it healthy? probably not? So be it. I do hope that you work with what he did try to teach you and forget about people who have nothing better to do than judge the cleanliness of your home.I do really hope that everyone puts their brused ego aside and allow Brad to help you further,for your dogs, not necessary for your ego or his own, and not on tv either.

L.R. I agree with what you said, that Kim has a big heart to house that many dogs, and not see them running on the streets where some would get killed or even worse, also i am sure everyone has had pee on their floor when owning a puppy/dog if not tought to use the out doors, but this is all part of dog training.

Kim, your house may not be full of junk, but having 12 or 15 dogs (not a huge difference. 12 is still not normal) is NOT healthy, no matter how you spin it. There is a deep seeded issue that you need to address.

Anyone that buys a dog for the purpose of breeding that is unqualified to do so is a backyard breeder. Your dogs are not champions, titled, or even trained. Some of your min pins look unstable (snapping at people, jumping, hiding) and shouldn't be bred period because they then produce unsound pups. A good breeder would know that. Saying most of them are fixed is not enough. They should all be fixed so you don't have any more puppies to add to your mess.

I'm laughing at the fact that you honestly believe that dogs die when separated from a pack. I can assure you, they do not. Dogs that have lived 10+ years together can be separated and even (gasp!) be happy! It's another comment that shows me you really are not comprehending what a dog truly is. They are not babies, you are not their mother, and they will absolutely not die if they are separated. In fact you are doing more harm than good keeping litters of siblings together with no outlet for their pent up frustrations.

You really do have some issues that you need to figure out so you can let these dogs go. Period.

I just finished watching a show on dog hoarders. Kim you mean well, but you fit all of the criteria for a dog hoarder.

1. Someone who has too many dogs in a small area. The professionals on the show stated that each dog should have enough space to call their own. Kim's house clearly cannot provide that.

2. A person who cannot stop bringing in new dogs either by breeding or rescuing.

Kim obviously feels that she is doing the right thing for the dogs but when you see their body language you can see they are in distress. Without proper direction, space and training the "pack" is living in unhappiness.

I asked a local animal shelter manager in my area what kind of space 12-15 dogs should be living in. She stated that at there centre they have at least 4 full time people for that many dogs to make sure they are getting enough discipline, attention and one on one training.

Kim, for the sake of the dogs....get help and give some of them to homes.

I would offer to take one but I already have one dog who take up a lot of my time with training and exercise. If you can't give the dogs up then maybe think about reaching out to your community for assistance (dog walking, training etc). You would be surprised who may offer to help you.

CB, Ummm..., Jack - I think you are Morons !!! do you even know what you are speaking of or protesting against. Or are these just your feelings and emotions.

Do you have any knowledge about dog packs or dogs for that matter. Do you read anything?

Or, are you just spouting off because you THINK you know? or maybe you are mindless and you let someone else make up you mind for you.

I don't think you know to much by your comments.

Look up hording again.....

My house is large and there is more than enough room, I have 3 living rooms, it is on 5 levels they also have a large dog run in the back yard and 2 huge decks. You saw only my front enterance....goofball.

I am mad now you people don't know diddly squat, in yet you feel like you know me and can make a comments, come to my home I am sure you would eat your words.

I bet my dogs get out more than anyone one dog.

I don't know if you get it or not I THOUGHT BRAD WAS A DOG TRAINER!!!! That is why I asked for help, and it clearly says even on the TV show, I only asked for help on BARKING !!!!!!! DID I MAKE THIS CLEAR? Maybe its you that needs help as you can not clearly understand what I am saying!!! you still draw your own conclusions.

I din't not ask for anything else..... do you get it?

Did you see Brad even try to help with any barking issues? He gives the same advice on every show, I think he is a one hit wonder - (to only a handful)

Do you know why, because he didn't know how to help so instead of helping me with barking issues he chose to make a fool of me!!!!!!!!!! much better TV don't you think. I guess the show would have been boring if it was about dog training.

I have now / since had a very important dog trainer to my home and in 2 hours he told me everything I need to know, he was a wonderful help. I would recommend him to anyone who LOVES their dog. He does it all without treats and with out hitting, and he is a very educated and kind man. My dogs loved him immediatley, they were not frightened of him once.

If anything I think trainers should be certified by a governing body not self taught, that is a bunch of BS if you ask me.

Do you know what I admire in a person - INTEGRITY, kindness, commitment and loyalty. Which most of you don't seem to have.

I have 4 people living in the home that makes 3 dogs per person, right if you can figue that out.

I would not give up one of my dogs for any reasons, I made a commitment, I am loyal, to the end....I have integrity and I am very kind. I have a lot of unwanted reptiles too!!! and birds / rabbit and etc...

Shame on all of you people throwing or giving away your wanted pets that you were supposed to be commited too.

I am proud of myself and I will defend myself to any of you bloggers....

So, if you think you would like to help me with some time and your walking abilities then come on board lets see what you are made of.

You can reach me with your donated time through Brad Pattisons web site

Oh Kim... you are beyond comprehention or rehab. I truly feel for you, your family, and most of all, your dogs.

Brad didn't help you with barking because you weren't following what he told you to do! You talk about people bashing you when they don't even know you, but what are you doing? You're bashing us, and Brad, without knowing us either.

Just because we don't take in or poorly breed dogs that we selfishly keep down't mean we don't love our dogs. On the contrary... it means we love them more because we know our limits and what we can handle. No sane person can handle (or think they can handle) 15 (12) dogs! You are a hoarder. You have too many dogs in an urban area... if you lived on an acre of land, maybe it'd be more understandable. If you made an effort to find good homes for these dogs and were a true rescue, maybe we could understand, but you don't and aren't. That makes you selfish.

Forget it. You are a lost cause Kim, and you need to go walk your dogs. I'm surprised you have time to be on here.

Personally, I'm sorry for the rough time you have been going through since the show....

Take Care

Hello Kim, i am glad that you had found yourself another dog trainer who is or willing to help you, your right Brad didn't help with the barking i don't think it was even brought up on the show. I know myself that two dogs are hard enough to handle with feeding,walks,training, and just speanding time. I am unsure on how much time was put in to making the show, but 2 hours wouldn't be enough for the training, however long the show was. Training just doesn't happen over night and it's forever learning thing for both owner and dog. Maybe Brad, wasn't the dog trainer for you, again i'm glad you seeked help else where and i hope things work out for everyone.


Peace!!!!!!!

Kim,

I feel bad you have to see all these comments. They have their thoughts and you have yours.

The problem though is that this is a blog and anyone can comment. Anything is expected. My advice? Not to read them any more. It will do you no good-even defending your honor.
The show was a one time thing and I think it might be time to move on. The comments can only go on for so long, so I'd suggest to not reply to them. You probably will never run into these people again;you have your own life and that's what you choose. So as the many comments you've already read, I think it'd be best to not read anymore. But, it's up to you.

Best wishes,
Aleicha

Here is a website about hoarding,hoarder whichever www.petabusehoarding.com i came across it cause i wanted to know for myself what it meant and want to share it.

I know of people on other real dog boards who have any number of dogs, the one person has nine. Another has 4 border collies, anyone who knows border collies knows the energy level of just one of those dogs. Those 9 dogs live in the house. I only have 1 but I have a small place. I'd love to have more. Hmm think I'll go ask on the other boards how many dogs some people have.

There's alot of people out there with numerous pets, not just dogs. There's someone with 5 large dogs, a couple of cats and a couple of large birds. Seems like 3-4 dogs is the average of dogs, but then most of the people have other pets as well, numerous cats, reptiles, birds, rodents, fish.

Kim - I think you went on TV figuring people would see you as some super hero. Now that you see the vast majority of people think you're wrong with so many dogs you can't take it.

I quote you "My dogs are well trained...considering". Considering what???? The little time you have? The too many dogs you have? The lack of space? Your lack of experience and knowledge????

Well trained...considering what exactly?

Your words, not mine - so how about you explain what you mean by it.

I doubt you will...you're much too busy being angry with all those that don't support you. 12 dogs pissing and shitting in the same yard is as unsanitary and disgusting as them pissing in the house.

It's too many dogs and you're no hero. Your rants clearly show your limited knowledge when it comes to appropriate care for yourself, family and animals.

Yes, Doreen - how many people need to walk the fish, birds and reptiles?

Large birds such as parrots etc need alot of care. To look after reptiles etc properly takes quite a bit of knowledge.

Knowledge isn't time.

Knowledge isn't time??? It takes time to learn how to properly care for these types of animals.

Well! I finally watched the video after reading ALL of the above.

Kim - you may be kind, compassionate, caring, etc., etc,. etc.

But you are also VERY stupid!

What on earth is a "Real" dog board?

Anyone who has "numerous cats, reptiles, birds, rodents, fish" along with 4-5 dogs living under one roof has problems and should be considered a hoarder!

A real dog board is one where people discuss training, dog health, behaviour etc. Are not stuck on one method with one 'trainer' being the be all and end all. I'd like to know how many Brad fans have actually read more than his own book. BTW egads there's one person that I speak to has 8 dogs all large and is also a trainer/rescuer. Not to mention a few dog breeders and not ones that can be described as byb's but people who train their dogs, show and title their dogs.

Since you asked, Doreen, I'm a fan of Brad's and I've never read his book. I have read books by other trainers/dog experts, though.

Kim needs to quit spending her time on this blog and get out and exercise those dogs. It is in my opinion that anyone who lives in the city should have no more than 3 dogs. Living in an urban setting with 12 dogs is insane. That environment in her home of having crates stacked on top of each other as all the dogs run around barking is chaos.

Quit thinking of yourself Kim, get off the computer, and organize an exercise group for those poor animals.

You are not a hero by keeping all of those pets. You are the cause of their barking and peeing in your home.

That environment is not good for the dogs, your son, your husband and obviously for you. How can anyone stay sane with all of the upheavel of untrained, stressed dogs in one home.

"A real dog board is one where people discuss training, dog health, behaviour etc. Are not stuck on one method with one 'trainer' being the be all and end all."

Well this is the board of one trainer & his methods. People are here for two reasons, either they like this way of training and are here to contribute and express the joys and stuggles of their success OR they are here to bash these methods of training.

I would say this is a "Real" dog board.

I still find it so odd that people who do not agree with these methods are even here? I would never waste my time going to a treat based (or training method that I do not agree with) trainers blog/board...what would be the point other than to stir the pot??

People obviously have far too much time on their hands or just love to argue in cyberspace.

I am a huge fan of Brad's methods and have read countless books on training, last book being Brad's. I have been to dozens of different trainers here in the City and have had ZERO success as they were ALL treat based. Feeling frustrated & ripped off I stumbled upon one of Brad's CET's.

By my third class the $$ & effort was more than paid off as I had a dog who was respecting me without having a pouch full of treats.

I know how much time and effort it takes to have one well trained/behaved dog (regardless of the training methods you choose)...I couldn't imagine having 12! Actually I would say it was impossible.

Not all positive trainers use treats some will use yes for a long time,but others will use and then have them fade out, also some will use a toy,a rub on the chest, or a pat on the head.


Peace!!!!!

Well who says having that many dogs is impossible, Ceaser has 16 or more.

LOL,

Brad's methods are positive, how can you say that. We have been taught to give chest rubs, get down and play with the dog, and celebrate the successes that they are having. How is that not positive?

Is it not positive because we don't bribe our dogs with toys and treats to get them to do something? Seriously? Brad's methods work, but they don't work over night. You have to train at least 2 hours a night minimum with them, and it is a consistent training.

Kim, Seriously - I know this show destroyed your bubble world you live in, however you need to wake up to reality - you are not building an ark, stop collecting dogs.

To all the other people hating on Brad, there comes a point where we need to agree to disagree, the people that are following Brad, enjoying his show, and more importantly learning how to create a bond without bribery are going to stay and post here - You guys are welcome to post, but why would you waste your time and energy doing it? All your responses to Brad's training is the same thing - he's cruel, he's mean, he hits dogs, he doesn't train properly, he is not qualified... Well, guess what... it doesn't matter to us. He has shown us his natural skill, he has a knack for this and I'm going to keep following his method. Because of him, my dog is better trained then other dogs we have met, and that makes my life easier.

Brad may not have an education behind him in training, and he may be self taught (autodidact) - but would you argue some of the best people in every industry are not self taught? Socrates, Avicenna, Benjamin Franklin, George Bernard Shaw, Feodor Chaliapin, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Alva Edison, Malcolm X - and many others were autodidacts. Many successful filmmakers did not attend college or dropped out. These include Steven Spielberg, Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez, Paul Thomas Anderson, David Fincher, Stanley Kubrick, John Huston, Woody Allen and Steven Soderbergh. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_taught)

So before you go ahead and say he doesn't have an education, remember, education is a piece of paper proving that you can learn, not that you have been taught. I suggest reading Rich Dad, Poor Dad... a great read on education vs natural smarts.

Cheers,
Scarbet

Kudos to you Scarbet, very well put!!

I agree this blog is for people that support Brad and enjoy his show, all others go elsewhere, please.

Hello, no where in my comment that i said,Brad doesn't use positve training i said, that some positive trainers will use treats and others will not. And here is my comment.........

Not all positive trainers use treats some will use yes for a long time,but others will use and then have them fade out, also some will use a toy,a rub on the chest, or a pat on the head.

Peace!!!!

Ceaser doesn't have all 16 dogs living with him in his house does he? They are in a kennel type situation are they not?

I am sure he doesn't take care of all those dogs all by himself, I imagine he would have hired help.

Speaking of Ceaser he preaches EXERCISE & DICIPLINE before affection! To me that would be Kim's problem with her dogs! She is humanizing them & they are not getting what they need from their pack leader who is suppose to be Kim. Oh and Kim a Dog Pack can consist of just the dog and it's owner! You don't need 12 dogs to keep them all alive!

I think it was Kim who stated that dog trainers should be certified by a governing body, I am just curious if her new trainer has such certification?? I may be wrong but I believe that Ceaser is self taught also and considers himself a "real-world behaviorist", whatever that means.

Please keep in mind that I am moderating this blog. When we feel that things are getting out of hand (as they are here), we will remove the posts that we feel are fueling a fire.

This type of behaviour we will not tolerated and it will be moderated accordingly.

Thanks.
Blog Mod 3

My friend here has a mother who loves yorkies, she has 5, i have experianced first hand how hard it is to give 5 dogs enough attention. . how can you say that you are giving FIFTEEN dogs the RIGHT amount of attention. . you have to ... think on that!!!!!!

Hi,
I think we should really just ignore anything Kim has to say - good, bad or otherwise.

Kim has made several statements which clearly shows she has limited knowledge with respect to dogs and her situation is a result of this limited knowledge.

She is clearly not interested in being brutally honest with herself nor is she truly interested in learning what is best for the dogs.

She clearly thinks anyone who disagrees with her (Brad included) is an idiot and she isn't going to listen.

Why waste our breath? Let's ignore her and her comments.

Pat, you seem to be in the same boat as kim ..... why do you waste your time and breath commenting, you clearly have nothing good to say either.

I don't get it? where did any of you get entitlement to comment on anyone?

Who says you are right and who says kim is wrong?

Isn't that GODS job? not yours and certainly not Brad's

I don't care if I get positive attention or negative attention.

It is still attention.

I feel that Pat said what everyone is thinking but does not want to say.

I should clarify. The Pat who stated that Kim feel that everyone is wrong except for her is so correct.

As for comparing Kim's environment in her home to Caesar's "Power of the Pack", please watch a few shows. His dogs do not bark continously and they obviously know that he is the leader. The dogs in Kim's home are searching for their leader, but are under extreme stress because they haven't found her or him yet.

I find that Brad and Caesar have the same beliefs of the dog world, they are not humans and we have to stop treating them like they are.

I agree with Pat...

and don't think it's up to god...as if

If it was God's job then all of the dogs in our world would be balanced and not need our training.


We humans cause them to be crazy. Maybe God can come and show Kim how to get her dogs to stop being so chaotic. Ha, ha.

pat,

Please be aware that I am laughing.....

My comments were not intended to be offensive, yet the one and only person who brought God into this is a person who tells me I "have nothing good to say either" yet if you were to read carefully, pat, you'd notice I never said that.

I also said I believed Kim has limited knowledge - it's not a judgement of her character. I just believe she has limited knowledge.

I accuse Kim of not listening - it's my impression based on her replies.

And Kim has called people names.

I merely suggested people let her rants go by and not antagonize her.

How so, so, SO shameful of me!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the God comment....pleeeeeaasse...it's now your turn not to waste your breath on me.

Chuckling all the way.....

By the way....seems some people have the same name. Imagine that. Giggle.

But rather than be confused with other "Pats" or "pats" as is the case in this blog - the comments signed by Pat, to this point, are mine. I don't want to be confused with other Pats so I'm going with Pat-A. I've noticed some of the comments on other episodes are signed "Pat" but they aren't mine. Could they be the "good pat" (small p) that popped up here.

I guess no one will ever really know.

For this family I think we all just need to take a time out and leave it be as it has become quite a nasty/sad place and again, before we do put down our thoughts we need to read the guidelines.

First and Formost, I am the oldest son of Kim on the show that aired tonight.

Now, I don't live with my mother anymore, I moved out a while ago, for part of the reason being the dogs. But at the same time I completely understand why my mother has taken in and adopted, so to speak, all these animals. When you have a big heart, you can't say no to something that has been abandoned, or something that cannot be fully taken care of anymore. It may be wrong that there is too many dogs in the house, and to an to be honest I agree with that. However if these animals were taken away or given away, who is to say that the next owner would treat it unfairly? That is why they are not given away, she has tried to sell the puppies but the people that want to come and look at them are not up to standard. By the way, my brother and myself are not neglected whatsoever.

Now this is where i am not trying to be mean, and for the sake of a television show, and ratings as well as viewer count I understand how something things sometimes are askewed to make it more interesting. But, In the balancing act with the beam and the weights, I watched in the background, my mother had no problem balancing, and was pushed to make the rod fall. Now i know what you are thinking, its a lesson not a test of physical endurance. But come on, that was 1 of the at least 5 i recollect from watching the 30 minute show. And second of all, when using a blacklight just becuase something shines under it doesn't mean its urine. It could be a number of things including tonic water. It just pains me to watch all the bad things and nothing good, My mother would rather inconvience herself to make sure something doesnt suffer, or go hungry, or even put down. I know dogs are pets as well as animals, but that doesnt make them non-living.

Either way, my message is don't think of her as something that is shown on a 30 minute television show.

Thank you, and hopefully it was entertaining..

Read your blog,
You write well but seriously are you really comparing Brad to the people on the blog you state.

You can't be serious,

Most people have never even heard of Brad Pattison and the show.

And the people who and endorse him I think suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

Maybe before you fall on the floor you should read on further. What? you read one article and you know something. Your right it was called this because of the hostage incident but if you would read a little bit more then you will find out what I meant. It is not just for hostage victims.

You people are to quick to fume

I posted this on another blog as well but will say the same thing for this family.

I am also going to make an assumption about Kim. When I read the entries, you all asked that she stop posting any of her comments and/or feelings due to her mental instability, lack of morals and tastelessness and I have not seen any words from her since so perhaps she and her dogs are out at the park or in their neighborhood somewhere??? Just a thought but maybe we should all be outside, enjoying the lovely weather and fresh air instead of questioning anyones mental capability. There could be the same assumption made about any of us that are spending a lot of time on here, quoting what works and does not work through your eyes only.

It is my hope that Mr. Pattison can find some new families that can consume all of your time as well as energy and allow the others to move on.

You have been posting a lot lately, so maybe you should heed your own advice and go outside, and quit spending so much time on here worrying about people you don't know.

Just a suggestion.

Honestly kim i hope one day you'll be able to put this bad experience behind yourself. All the power to you. We were filming at the same time, and the crew were telling us about your family and dogs. They had told me that you wanted out because brad wanted to take multiple dogs away from you. I would have reacted the same. I grew up with Dalmatians, and after the movie came out, many people rushed to go buy one for their children. Resulting in in-breeding, and overbreeding, and then when these families realized Dalmatians are a handful, they got rid of them. If I had the funds and the property, I would have much more than you do. I think Brad shouldnt even have bothered you or me if he didnt intend on concentrating on what we wanted and what we considered our dogs problems.

Thanks Tiffany I just posted on your show too!

Some how Carrie and I have been able to communicate off this blog site which is so much better, hopefully you can somehow let either one of us know how to get a hold of you with out the eyes of this blog, and it's people.

I had a Dalmation too, I loved her she was from the City By-law inpundment and I called her Tink, but she was a stinker. She bit too, but it was not like an attack. ( I think all female dogs are more prone to attach) Alle the males I have in my home (and there is a lot) don't but all the females do - weird, maybe that is just dogs.
I think female cats are the same.

Anyway I think a dog should be a dog and thats that, like everyone on this blog says how and what a dog should be, well I think thats all hoey. I think for the majority of people who get a dog do it because they want a buddy. Not a cowardly beast that flinches everytime you move. In fact don't most people get a lap dog for that reason?

I know my self I don't want a dog to fear me ever. I want a dog to cuddle and play. I have so much fun at my house, all these people on this blog act like they know you and if anything I think they all have mental problems.

I want a dog that will protect me and my home and belongings and my kids, you know if a robber ever came to my door .I think they would run for the hills.

Hey I know how we can all meet you know Shantel and she know Carrie-Lynn this could work.

P.S. I don't have a mental Illness just to let you know. Funny how all of these people on this site have become doctors too!!!


I have found other people that have attended his seminars.

I did have a really nice fellow from the City come out and he showed me a few things and they have worked.

I've commented before that I believe Kim's knowledge is limited - nothing more and nothing less.

I must disagree with her comment on attacking:
..but all the females do - weird, maybe that is just dogs.
I think female cats are the same.

I certainly can't support this statement having had (over the years and not at once) 9 female cats and 4 female dogs. They were no different from the males. If males aren't neutered and do not breed - you'll find their aggression becomes very difficult to control.

And girls (Kim, Carrie-Lynn, Tiffany)...be careful. If you choose to get together and be productive, work together to advance your dogs' training - all the more power to you. But if it's a "Bash Brad" get-together, well, that's not very healthy or productive.

If you've found him and his methods useless...don't waste any more time discussing him or his methods.

I can't help but wonder how Shantel fits in with all this. Strikes me as a conflict of interest.

To Pat-A, I'm not sure how Shantel factored in. I'm wondering if she meant that she could get us in contact with each other but I wouldn't ask that of Shantel because she is not part of this except for the butt kicking she will give me if I do a session or two with her this spring/summer.

I'm not about sitting down and BASHING anyone(and still see what Brad does as working for some, just not me) as I have much better things to do with my life but it would be nice to sit with other people and discuss dogs and get feedback from others on different ideas. It's somewhat the same thing as the 'Parent of a Teen in todays society' group I go to...just to bounce ideas off.

Mind you own business our blogs to each other are not meant for you so go comment somewhere else.

Keep Shantel out of this she has nothing to do with this she is the only name I know, from being on the show. Don't read to much into anything

And you know what it was to get together for a chat and a dog walk - did you want to come?

sounds like you feel snubbed.

Kim,
There's no justification for your behaviour. Good grief!

I was expressing that Shantel might find this difficult given she is a student of Brad's.

Perhaps you are correct in saying that females are more aggressive. Certainly seems to hold true for YOU!

So...no, thank you. I do not want to come. I would be embarrassed to be associated with you.

Good!! Woundn't want anyone who can't think for themselves anyway.

Do you even have a dog Pat-A?

Us grown up girls can do what ever we want, I am not sure were you even get off on telling people what they can and can not do.

I can only suspect you know Brad, you are Brad or you have a crush on him.

This is Slice's Blog under Brad's name so I can only determine that anyone with in reason can express their own opinions. Seems you have a problem with everyone who doesn't agree with Brad.

For your comment "There is no justification to your behaviour, all I can say is that for some reason I feel the need to defend myself and it is only because of people like you...that I guess is my only mental illness.

Females are more aggressive in almost every species, thought someone with your intelligence would know that.

Also Pat-A why is my intelligence limited? you said it how can I not be offended. So I guess I am asking you to prove your statements.

What might not be right for you does not mean it is wrong.

Just like Brad didn't help me but he seems to help others.

Well if anything else this is purely entertaining.

I was offended at first, now I love to read the comments.

I feel special :-)

bye until the next rude post.

What the heck are you talking about?

Why can't I be rude everyone else on here is, how do you think I feel?

Why wouldn't I stick up for my self.

I only react to the rudeness that is addrersses to me on here.

So you are like the rest only a problem not a soulution. As of yet all you do gooders have not answered my one and only question.

How to get a dog to stop barking, but I guess you can not because you can't even control yourself.

If you do not want me to react then don't post, seems you enjoy this.

Dear twisted...

you're probably Kim! If not - my apologies.

Hello, not everyone is the same on this blog, and i want to make something clear, that not everyone has a mental illness like it's stated in this blog, here is the statment i'm talking about.......I know my self I don't want a dog to fear me ever. I want a dog to cuddle and play. I have so much fun at my house, all these people on this blog act like they know you and if anything I think they all have mental problems.
Please do not put me in that kind of statment as like i said, not everyone has a mental illness like myself for one.

Peace!!!!!

LOL,

It was an undirected comment and by no means was it intended for you.


So sorry if I offended you, it was not meant (for you).

Hello I am sorry LOL, ok i just wanted to make that clear, we can all learn a thing or two from everyone. Whether it's good or bad.


Peace!!!!

P.S. Thank-you

I found this on 4043's blog site:

Very near the beginning Dissappointed wrote:

My suggestion is that someone should either have Brad stop Blogging or take a real look at what this blog is trying to accomplish. Brad I challenge you to share real meaningful insights not flip insulting off the cuff comments.

I support this statement.

I also support those of you (too many to cut and paste) who appreciate Brad's "tell it like it is attitude". I also support that.

I really like that Brad points out the truth (about the dog) and doesn't let people get away with excuses. But as a "life coach" he should know to criticize the behaviour and not the person. Calling people barbie dolls and queens really isn't necessary or helpful.

BUT WAIT!!!!! It's GOOD FOR TV and this blog....brought to you by Slice.

For those of who support Brad and want to exchange training tips rather than insults, I encourage you to blog on his website.

Leave the TV to the drama queens.

Good ridance then, take your name calling, insulting trash talk to Brad's site if you need to get off on hitting dogs and stroking pattisons ego.

Dear Enough already....

I sure don't understand all that anger. "Can't be bothered"'s comment wasn't that bad.
Sorry to say but it's your type of comment is trash talk.
We wonder why dogs bite and people hit! Lots of you are slapping people around with your comments.
Such unnecessary hostility.

To Enough Already,

We all know you're really Kim. Just like Kim is also "I am sorry LOL" and so is "To stunned".

It's so obvious.

Hey Enough Already,

if you had just read the blog you'd see that CAN'T BE BOTHERED agreed that brad shouldn't be name calling and stuff. but because this is about tv and ratings...well...why are soap operas so popular? this has turned into one.

what's wrong with you? i think, ON TO YOU is right, you sound like KIM and probably are. not using your name even though you told others to.

Well I am back at work and wow%$^&%&*&


I am only Kim and I post to my name only.

Who ever is saying I am others is wrong... check the IP address. Or have Slice do it and then you can say it.

Clearly Kim

Brad I can also clearly see I am bothering you :-)

I know you read these blogs - why wouldn't you.

I don't hate you and I don't think I have ever said I did, I just wanted you to know how you have infected my life and the life of others.

I am defending my self from your blog which I find un called for. You know that.

That is it and if you and your viewers can handle that so be it.

So I am still looking for ideas for barking issues, that is it you people have taken it to this level.

I have tried bark collers but they only work while they are on and I would never use them on a smaller dog.

Actually the barking isn't even that bad, just when the door bell rings.

So I guess I really don't need any help.

Maybe everyone on hear should lighten up and why don't you say what works for you and what you have tried.

Did you know listening is an art, none of you are really listening to what iss being said - all of you jump to concluisions way to fast.

Boy I wish theis blog site had spell check.

Anyway people won't be mad if you share good advice, but people who just want to sare hatred and opinions should keep them to them selves.

Here is the challenge; Brad I think you should go re-visit all the homes/families of the people that were on your show and see where they are at.

Sounds like all your viewers need it.

Why not?????

Hello Kim,

Here is something you might want to try on the barking issuses..... try ringing the doorbell and clap your hands and say "No" i found it worked for me, i also don't agree with the bark collars as they don't work unless it's on the dog at all times which is not good, anyway i hope that all is well, but give that a try ok.

P.S. Here is something else you could try also if you have a computer at home you can play doorbell noises and say "No" and clap your hands, these are just somethings that i have tired and has worked for me, and yeah i wish this had spell check too.


Peace !!!!!

Thanks LOL :-) you are truly kind.

I usually get kids from the neighbour hood to come and ring the bell, but everyone's lives are so busy.

In the morning lots of kids come and get Logan for school. and I am usually not at the door when they ring it.

If I am there it is okay, but there is always one ring when I am in the bathroom...go figure.

When you saw all the dogs barking on TV it was staged, I was howling(glad they didn't show that). it is really not that bad.

Now that all the pups are a little older ( over 1year ) it really makes a differance.

My computer is way way upstairs.

You know I have to say in my neighbour hood everyone is very nice and I think they think my house is the petting zoo. Its all good they all get to come over and learn about dogs and reptiles etc. I think sometimes Logan feels very popular. Everyone wants to be his friend and play with the dogs.
I did get tired of the sleep overs though. We usually take one of his friends camping it sometimes helps. This year we will only take half and the other half my mom and dad enjoy watching. Then we will switch them up.

Oop..... I got off the subject, it is just nicer to respond this way.

Thanks again Kim

You are welcome Kim, it was just something that i have tired and it worked for me so i wanted to share that, also if your computer is way way upstairs here is something else you could try and that is you can get wireless speakers and put them by the door, not on the floor of course, but up around the door and try that.

Peace!!!!

Okay, I had to post this for everyone to take a look at. It’s an adorable video on you tube….go to www.youtube.com and type in Tara & Bella – The odd couple of animal kingdom.

Hello Kim, Carrie-Lyn here is a webstie for you guys to check out www.youpet.com and there are some people with good advice or just simple training tips just thought that i would share that with yeah.


Peace!!!!

and to think I came to this blog to learn more about dog training....
Unfortunately this blog is not about that,,,,,...

addressed to haha,

why in the world would you come on here with a totally uncalled for comment like that? honestly, save your breath if you can't say anything that isn't an insult. if you want to be treated like dirt in return then keep it up because your comment was complete garbage.

I agree with wondering why, i always say if you can't say something nice then don't bother saying anything. I just had to throw that in, but in my eyes what you stated in your comment haha, if you don't like what you see on here then don't bother reading just my two cents.


Peace!!!

P.S. Maybe your the one that needs to get a life, and also maybe your the loser, i think you should say something nice instead of being so rude like you are.

If everyone would STOP acknowledging the insulting and rude comments and stop adding fuel to the fire perhaps the commentors would get bored and stop.

LOL & Wondering why - don't you see? Your comments are as insulting, making you no better than "ha ha" and it just perpetuates the problem.

Let's just leave the Rude-niks alone and ignore it. The comments are of no value so why validate with a response?

Hey LOL - you write "if you can't say something nice then don't bother saying anything".

But then YOU add: P.S. Maybe your the one that needs to get a life, and also maybe your the loser, i think you should say something nice instead of being so rude like you are.

Nice lecture but really, you need to practice what you preach.

I was trying to point out that haha doesn't have to be so rude like they are, and it's not right to bash everyone on here just cause some people disagree or agree with something, and that everyone has their own training methods, and also there is not only one way to train a dog, also i would like to say that everyone could learn something from everyone, and not be bashed for what they believe in is right or wrong.

Peace !!!!

Life is too short to continually bash a very sad woman with no ability to self-reflect.

None of you will persuade her! It's probably best to stop trying.

I may have commented on this story too, but I can't remember.

I think this woman has done a good thing and yes I think it is a lot of dogs, but I guess if she can handle it so be it.

I like the comment from someone about helping her out, give the family a break.
Maybe someone could donate time etc.

I like the comment about responsibility and if you get a dog that is your (everyone's) responsibility to take care of that dog no matter what until it's last days. I really hate to see people trying to sell their pets on web sites, to me they are just like kids and if you get a dog be responsible. I don't think people should just get rid of them because something comes up in their lives. Keep the dog - you got it make it work and care for it no matter what.

People who rent should not be allowed to have a dog or cat. You get my drift

Seems like everyone just wants this lady to get rid of her pets, I don't think she needs too, I just think she needs help once and a while. I don't think she asked Brad to help her get rid of her pets I think she was looking for advice to control some issues. I think Brad couldn't handle it and that is why he walked away. If Brad was such an animal lover maybe he could have provided this lady with some better resources.

I didn't care for this episode, shows how people just turn their backs and do nothing. But they sure can say mean hurtful statements.

Hey Kim,

Please contact me...You're SO not alone...

Hey Kim,

I was wondering how are things? i hope they are going good.

Peace!!!!!

How do i contact you?
Kim

LOL, I am great, just so busy. I just purchased 2 bike trailers (like a doggie stroller) to take to the park with me for the Miniature Pinschers, for the cold days their feet get so cold so quick and I can't carry them all. I have bought them doggie booties but those are just a pain in the ass.

I used to stuff some in my jacket and 2 under each arm and I am telling you this was not fun.

Winter is not great on little dogs with not much hair.

So all my dogs except for 1 male min pin are over a year old now and what a differance in behaviour, they are truly good dogs and they get along fine.

Emma kisses me all the time with her teeth, not sure why she does this...she is a bit strange.

Woody learnt to do hand stands looks funny when a dog does it.

Gus and Copper love the ball, they can't take their eyes off of it.

Lucky is getting fat and old and he is really showing signs of it this year.

Ozzie is the same.

Timmy is a thinking dog, he really studies things.

Emma, Abby and Mimzy have teamed up they are sort of like the bushwackers.

Hera, is coming out of her shell, she is a goofy girl I don't think she thinks she is a dog.

Jinx and Jasper are getting a bit chubby since they have been fixed.

Thanks for asking.

Kim

Hey Kim,

Glad to hear things are going well, i understand about the cold wheather and small dogs with their feet, but i might have some idea for you to try my friend does this for her little dog and it's balloons i think that's how it's spelt, but anyways she says they work great, and they stay on her feet too i thought it was so cute and i never thought of that so i wanted to share that with yeah. She also said, that the feet don't get wet nor does the salt bother her and she can walk anywhere now with her. I just got a new puppy for my b-day it's a Chi cute little thing boy are they small LOL he's one of those so called tea cup which i know there is no such thing but that's the only way i can explain how small he is.

Also have you gone to the other doggie website ? If so you can catch me there if you ever want to chat just look for Lulu & Sweetie.

Those are my two Jack's and no they are not like most Jack's you hear about with their hyperness and all they are very calm come to think of it LOL anyways you have a good one and i'm glad things are going well for you, also there is just one other thing how is the speaker for the barking , is it working for you ?

Peace !!!!

hi LOL, I watched you pups on utube...they are cute - I tried to find how to contact you but i couldn't.

I have a cute video I can email you if you want email me at emma.jasper@live.ca

Hello Kim,

That sounds like a plan, i'm glad you like my videos of them just being dogs i will be putting up another one but this time it will be of the new puppy and one of my Jack's playing, the other day my Jack's where playing with a baloon it was so funny they can be clowns i tell yeah.

Peace !!!!!!

I thought I'd already posted my email address....unless the fanatics deleted it??

It's realitybites.sis67@gmail.com

Hi there RealityBites and Kim:

I was the one removing your email addys because you guys may not realize what you're opening yourselves up to by posting your private email addys here.

As moderators, we're are to remove this kind of information.

I will leave it up as long as you agree to keep it up.

Please respond with your approval - I will delete the email addresses again in 2 days if we don't hear from you.

BTW - there are no fanatics that have moderation capabilities here ;)

Thanks,
Blog_Mod3

Mine was created for this purpose, you can leave it up.

As a Dog Behaviorist myself, I agree that it is never the dog but your approach , Brad, could honestly be refined somewhat...you don't have to insult or yell at people to help them be aware of how their state of mind affects their dog, I have many cases behind me where I explained gently and nicely that they were the problem and they understood, changed, and therefore helped their dog.
Grow some grace for these people, if it wasn't for them you would be out of work!!

Hi D Taylor,

I must say I'm a bit skeptical. I'm finding it difficult to accept that a professional dog behaviourist would be on this blog criticizing another trainer.

Pros don't do that.

Hi LOL -
I watched your Lulu and Sweetie video - where the dogs are playing tug-of-war with the stick.

Why are your dogs playing with their leashes on?

What's up? Messages are getting posted twice - I only hit submit once.

Hello Pat- A,

I just like leaving the leashes on them not that they need it, but i just drop the leashes and they go on to play, some times i have my friend GSD playing as well and all run around with their leashes on. It's not a big deal with or without their leashes on i can have it both ways. Oh by the way no one is holding those leashes.

Peace !!!!

I think it is the duty of all professional dog trainers to come onto this blog and give their opinion, in fact I think it is their responsiblity!

I think it is a shame more professional dog trainers / behaviorist don't get involved. Please don't keep quit and let others make you feel like you don't have a voice.

D Taylor - I see you use the term "professional" very loosely.

Your right to post was never questioned...the content was.

Carry on.....the nature of your response speaks for itself. Your criticisms of Brad are laughable as you are equally ungracious.

I'm not going to say another word. "Professionals" - You are not to come onto our blogs and slam Brad, our site, our programs and other viewers. Yes, you have a right to post your opinion, but we will not tolerate that kind of behaviour. Understood? Next time, i will delete the post - no warning required.

Pat A,

Do you have any training experiance yourself? Do you have pets?

Seems to me you really like to voice your opinion, but choose to discredit others.

Are you Brad pattison CET certified? if not what certification do you have?

Now why am I not surprised....

I have it saved and would be happy to re-post it. Did you delete it because I don't agree with abuse in general or because I don't agree with it splashed all over youtube and the idiot box?

Hi LOL
I was just wondering about the leashes because in the beginning, when my girl was a pup, I'd drop her leash (for easy catching) to let her play. She tried to romp but would get tangled, step on it and trip, especially because she likes to run like the wind.
As leash training progessed, she became less inclined to play and would stand and look at me as if to say.."ya want me to play? Then take this thing off!".

Now at 18 months, when she has her leash she understands we're in working mode and won't run off to play. She stays close.

I wonder if leaving leashes on didn't confuse your Jacks and possibly contribute to the leash aggression you mentioned before.

Hi there "Where is my last post mods?"

We haven't deleted any posts lately...

Go ahead and re-post it. If we find it's offensive and against our policies, then it'll get moderated - rules haven't changed.

WOW... I guess they positive trainers out there are attacking every website they can! Sure doesn't seem to positive to me, and definitely unprofessional! Hey Blog_Mod3, I still think you guys need some kind of access control to allowing people to post on here. username/password with an email verification will cut down on half the "crazies" out there.

Hello Pat- A,

I don't believe that leaving her leash on caused her to be aggressive or leash aggressive it was cause she was on hold for someone and i didn't take her around other dogs which would cause her to be this way, but as of now since i have been working with her and taking her around other dogs she is doing great. I also have did this with the mother left the leash on to go play and she didn't show any of this i hope that i have answer your question.

Peace !!!!

Hi there Scarbet

Well, this is all we have right now - so we'll have to deal...

But if there are crazies here, and they're just too much, we have our ways to make their departure happen.

Why is it that anyone who disagrees with someone hitting a dog or yanking on him so hard that he yelps......is considered a CRAZY? Are you people serious?

People ARE going to be upset when they see the videos of dogs clearly being abused. *shakes head*

When you do nothing to stop abuse, you contribute to it...plain and simple..

Hey Reality......

Get over yourself.

I'd like to see him work with some other animals, lets see like cats and other domesticated animals using his methods. Oh wait, probably wouldn't have much success there.

That was useful. Is there something you'd like to say that would add something...anything?

Heya Reality Bites:

Unfortunately, you can't come on the board here and bash people (including myself) and think that it's ok.

It's an open forum for your opinion only about the show and contributing to the conversation going on here - if you post anything, bashing employees of Canwest, the show, Brad and other viewers, we will modify posts, remove the ones at our discretion.

You guys should already know how to play nice here and get your point across at the same time.

The video, in question on youtube, of Maria has posted on here. I think personally if there was an issue she would have posted it. Here is her posting

"I'm the lady from video #6 from Toronto Seminar in Oct., where Brad told me to stop talking because I was annoying him, and my dog whom you all think he hit.Well, let me tell you all, that it was a very quick swift movement by his nose, you cannot see it since it was obscured but you all jumped to conclusion that Brad hit him (Rex).Had you been there you would have seen Rex trying to jump Brad, trust me he hasn't tried that ever since and yes I have had to use it a couple of times since. Either Brad was rude or not I was there for my dogs, not for my ego.
All I want to say is whatever works for your dog either Brad's or someone else's methods, as long as you find something that works.I saw 3 differnt trainers before Brad, all worked on treats,and none worked with my dogs, spent plenty of money on the way.I also have several physical problems that at times hinder me to do certain things, but Brad's training methods have made it easier on me physically. Yes I put a lot of work into it, but at times I physically can't but I don't give up.
Just remember if you want to see the real Brad, go to his seminar and don't judge him for his TV PERSONA.
If your ego is easily hurt, STAY AWAY.
IF YOU LOVE YOUR DOG, GO!!
STOP INSULTING EACH OTHER.BE RESPECTFUL. WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT AND SO ARE OUR DOGS. "

and let me point out this quote from it:

"I saw 3 differnt trainers before Brad, all worked on treats,and none worked with my dogs, spent plenty of money on the way.I also have several physical problems that at times hinder me to do certain things, but Brad's training methods have made it easier on me physically. Yes I put a lot of work into it, but at times I physically can't but I don't give up."

3 trainers that all used treats and received no results. As well if you guys were there, you would have known that these 2 dogs have been ordered to be muzzled all the time in public, and the dog (Rex) that Brad corrected was actually lunging towards the dog that is in the front row. Rex was going for its neck, as he had done a couple of times that day already. Before you make any sort of judgments know the whole picture, know your facts. If you were not there, and do not know the background, you should not be permitted to comment. Plain and simple, As well, Leave Blog_mod3 alone, he is doing his job, and you guys sure love to make it difficult for him.

Every time we respond to "Reality, Charly, Professionals, Just wondering, Just as I thought, Hey Blog Mod, etc." we give this ONE person more to go on.

Please, please, please just ignore the comments and as they say, "don't bite".

I just want to say that not all dog trainers use treats, like the one i go to, to become a dog trainer, well she doesn't use treats at all, and one lady had brought treats and she told her that treats were not allowed. I just wanted to let you know that i'm not trying to be rude or anything like that at all, so please don't take this as being rude or anything i just wanted to say that not all use treats, most do but the one i go to doesn't. Also i wanted to find a dog trainer who doesn't use treats and i did it took a while and a lot of looking around and research before i jumped in with both feet i also went to the last two classes to see how this dog trainer works before i decided that this is what i have been looking for to become a dog trainer myself and help people with their dog problems, plus i have trained both my dogs with and without treats and got the same results.


Peace !!!!